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av3773 Star Player
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Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 4:35 am Post subject: |
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BI for AR and Rui AND a first round pick? Pass…those contracts are better and by composite those players are better than BI especially on this team with AD and LBJ. |
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av3773 Star Player
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Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 4:38 am Post subject: |
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It’s not going to happen, but if the team is really moving on they need to move on from LBJ, he’s still really, really good…but he can’t be that guy anymore, but he makes that type of money which makes it hard to build the roster out…if you paid that amount for a guy who can dominate most nights, get buckets when you need it etc ok…but he isn’t that player anymore especially at 50 mill or whatever his number is. |
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danzag Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 6:07 am Post subject: |
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BI can't stay healthy. Wouldn't trade for him. |
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CRoost Star Player
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Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 6:59 am Post subject: |
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Japago wrote: | MJST wrote: | Japago wrote: | slavavov wrote: | MJST wrote: |
slavavov wrote: | JUST-MING wrote: | New Orleans might move Brandon Ingram. Trey Murphy is already better than him. |
We need a scoring, attacking guard, not an iso-heavy forward who needs the ball to be effective. |
We have multiple scoring guards.
The iso-heavy forward who needs the ball to be effective is LeBron, not Ingram. |
D'Angelo Russell doesn't score consistently or efficiently in the playoffs, and Reaves isn't that good of a scorer -- he needs to play off of others to be really effective.
We need a speedy scoring, facilitating guard who will consistently push the pace so that LeBron won't be the only guy who can create pace for us. That would allow us to reduce LeBron's workload and keep him fresh physically and mentally for the playoffs. |
For LeBron haters, It's amazing how the guy who scores a lot at high efficiency with good play-making is a problem.
He's not perfect. He's not at tier 1 anymore. But he's still a tier 2 player. He's doing more than you can ask for from a 39 year old. And worth his money relative to the salary cap and what salaries look like across the league.
The problem is that DLo and Rui have literally been worthless. |
What happened in Game 2 was a microcosm of why LeBron 'haters' criticize LeBron. We had momentum we were doing things well, and then LeBron took the ball and slowed it down to his pace, started playing LeBron ball, and the Nuggets started coming back.
AD went out, we continued LeBron ball and we lost the lead completely. There is no reason why when LeBron is in the game we should lost a 20 point lead. We ran pick and roll the Nuggets had no answer for, then spent the rest of the game not running it that way. AD had just one field goal attempt in the entirety of the 4th quarter, and LeBron "I want to be the point guard" James, is responsible for stuff like that.
But he always skates the blame. It's more than just 'He's not perfect" its stuff like that in addition to not boxing out Aaron Gordon and getting backdoored EVERY time and then hanging his head and blowing out winds of frustration or blaming his teammates when Gordon not backdooring him is his responsibility.
Those are the things LeBron 'haters' critique and call out. Regardless of anything else LeBron is looked at as the leader of the team, and if he's allowing himself to be backdoored and blaming teammates, or holding the ball and passing it for bailouts instead of pressuring the defense to get his teammates going.. then it's on him more than anybody else. AD's done what he's supposed to do, LeBron has not lead the way he's supposed to. |
The Lakers don't have any better options. LeBron is willing to pass when others have it going.
He's enabled DLo every time he's had it going during the regular season. Why would he trust him when he's been playing like he is. Same goes for Rui.
AD does enough during the rest of the game. And, I don't like going to him as the focal point of the offense anyway. The Lakers need an actually offensive option that will breakthrough in this spot. None of these "role players" you guys think are better than they are.
LeBron's defense isn't what it used to be. It's sad that he's still the 2nd best defender on the team.
But the other guys aren't even known for that. What are they bringing if they can't even bring their scoring?
The Lakers scored 103, 99, and 105 points respectively in fairly close games. If the Lakers had gotten more production from those guys, the Lakers could've won those games.
It's like those guys ALWAYS avoid blame from some users despite putrid performances.
AGAIN, LeBron isn't perfect. But, how are the literal useless guys not the 1st to blame?
These guys have the responsibility to carry some of the scoring production, and they're giving actual ZERO. |
Been saying Lebron is not on his prime anymore and can’t consistently lead this team especially in the playoff. AD is not that player either but at least he can anchor the team defensively. So we really need a start to fill those gaps
But but but there’s inconceivable beliefs among our fans here that Dlo will be that guy even though he is consistently awful in the playoff. Most of them even believe he is better than Kyrie. LMAO. Ham is also another stubborn land very limited who can’t adjust on the fly. Hopefully both them will be outta here. |
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iimarshon Star Player
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Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 7:21 am Post subject: |
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Ive been a no to Trae Young -- but as a thought experiment:
Would this be an interesting team to you guys?
Trae Young
LeBron
Vando
AD
Jonas
w/ Dinwiddie, Eric Gordon, Prince, Wood, Christie, RoCo
Is there also some validity to: if you think we should build around AD, that Trae is a pretty good fit with AD? _________________ 24 |
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iimarshon Star Player
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Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 7:25 am Post subject: |
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danzag wrote: | BI can't stay healthy. Wouldn't trade for him. |
Pelicans wouldnt make another big trade with us anyways imo _________________ 24 |
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iimarshon Star Player
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Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 7:30 am Post subject: |
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I dont think the Lakers offer for Donovan is terrible but I think in the end Miami has the better offer with Herro / Jaquez / Jovic and picks.
But I think teams like Pelicans wont trade for Donovan cos they know he wont resign when hes a FA in Summer 2025.
For Donovan its probably between Heat, Knicks (maybe), Nets, Lakers -- and maybe a team like the Rockets.
We could offer AR + Rui + three 1sts + three pick swaps.
I have a feeling Lakers get Trae.
But I think theyll def go after one of Donovan, Trae, Dejounte.
I personally like Dejounte + a role player.
I still love idea of Caruso back and not cos I miss him but because hes a top 5 perimeter defender, making 9m and shoots 3s at an efficient rate. But I think he will be costly. _________________ 24 |
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iimarshon Star Player
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Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 7:32 am Post subject: |
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I think Lakers HAVE to use the MLE on a big.
Ideal is Jonas Valanciunas. Id even start him and AD goes to the 4 like the bubble team.
If no Jonas though I think you split the MLE amongst two bigs. Two of:
- Drummond
- Plumlee
- Kornet
- Eubanks
- Tillman
Or half on Drummond plus one of the others as vet min.
Ideally I want Lakers big man rotation next year to be:
• AD
• Valanciunas
• Kornet / Tillman / Eubanks
• Wood (I think Wood is more of a big PF)
• Young C (Fillipkowski or Edey or even a 2nd rounder like Bona)
Would be great if we could buy an early 2nd rounder for Adem Bona and have our two ways be Bona, Castleton and Bronny. _________________ 24 |
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iimarshon Star Player
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Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 7:33 am Post subject: |
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MLE TARGETS (13m) =
* Bruce Brown *
* Kris Dunn
* Royce O’neale
* Derrick Jones Jr
* Demar Derozan
* Jonas Valuncunias
* Andre Drummond (partial MLE)
VET MIN:
* Luke Kornet
* Drew Eubanks
* Dennis Smith Jr
* Delon Wright
* Spencer Dinwiddie
* Chris Paul (unlikely)
* Daniel Theis
* Robert Covington
* Marcus Morris
* Lonnie Walker
* Xavier Tillman _________________ 24 |
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E_Wulf420 Star Player
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Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 7:35 am Post subject: |
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If they could flip AR, Vando, and Rui for a star like Lavine, Ingram, Mitchell, resign Dlo at 4yr/60mil, and LBJ takes a pay cut. What kind of exceptions would be available?
Dlo, Vincent, JHS
Star, Christie
LBJ, Reddish, Lewis
Wood, Prince
AD, Hayes _________________
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iimarshon Star Player
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Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 7:38 am Post subject: |
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DONOVAN MITCHELL Trade Offers:
• Heat --> Herro, Jaquez, Jovic, 1sts, pick swaps
• Lakers --> Reaves, Rui, Vando, three 1sts, three pick swaps
• Nets --> Cam Johnson, Cam Thomas and picks
• Knicks --> I dont see it but I guess it would be Randle or Bojan + Mitch and picks, but neither of those really makes sense for Cavs.
• Rockets --> I dont see Donovan re-signing there though and I dont think theyd trade Jalen Green or Sengun now at this point
TRAE YOUNG TEAMS:
• Spurs --> Though theres been some rumors theyre more interested in Dejounte
• Pelicans --> Only makes sense if they trade Ingram for him IMO and not sure Hawks want Ingram with only one year left
• Nets --> Cam Johnson, Cam Thomas and picks
• Lakers --> Reaves, Rui, JHS, 2-3 1sts
• Magic --> Makes sense fit wise but I dont think theyd trade Franz or Issac so I guess it would have to be for Suggs. But if im Magic im just singing Monk.
BRANDON INGRAM TEAMS:
• Heat --> If they dont get Donovan I could see them trading Duncan or Rozier plus Jacquez
• Pacers --> Mathurin and Jarace Walker and maybe McConnell or Nembhard
• Knicks --> Maybe but I dont think Pels would be into Randle + picks or Bojan + Mitch and picks
• Hawks --> for Trae but not sure Hawks do that with BI only having one more year left _________________ 24 |
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iimarshon Star Player
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Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 7:40 am Post subject: |
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I hope someone overpays KCP in free agency to break up Nuggets starting 5.
A team like OKC or Orlando should pay KCP 22-24m for 2-3 years.
OKC has like 30m in FA -- if im them im getting KCP for 50m total for 2 years (~25m average) and Drummond for like 5-7m on a one year deal.
KCP on OKC would be nasty, weakens Denver and if they can overpay for a short term deal, would be off their books before they max JDub and Chet. _________________ 24 |
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iimarshon Star Player
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Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 7:41 am Post subject: |
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Would you guys trade for LaVine if it meant we got Caruso too?
LaVine + Caruso is like 50m.
So youd have to hope DLO opts in:
- DLO (18m)
- Rui (17m)
- Vincent (11m)
- JHS (3m)
- Plus 2 1sts
Reaves
LaVine
Caruso / Prince
LeBron / Vando
AD
Plus MLE on a big like Jonas
It's pretty interesting if you think Levine can be healthy which he hasn't shown he can be. _________________ 24 |
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iimarshon Star Player
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Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 7:43 am Post subject: |
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E_Wulf420 wrote: | If they could flip AR, Vando, and Rui for a star like Lavine, Ingram, Mitchell, resign Dlo at 4yr/60mil, and LBJ takes a pay cut. What kind of exceptions would be available?
Dlo, Vincent, JHS
Star, Christie
LBJ, Reddish, Lewis
Wood, Prince
AD, Hayes |
I really dont see DLO coming back in any way.
If he opts in hes going to be traded. If he opts out hes probably leaving money on the table this year but can control his destination.
I could see one of Hayes or Wood returning but I personally think Hayes prob goes elsewhere. I hope Wood comes back cos I think hes interesting as a big PF too.
Reddish I could maybe see being roster spot 12-15 range but I think he probably opts out and signs with a (bleep) team to get more playing time.
There's some interesting vet min guys still though -- Covington, Dinwiddie, Delon Wright, Eric Gordon, etc etc. _________________ 24 |
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anth2000 Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 8:26 am Post subject: |
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iimarshon wrote: | Would you guys trade for LaVine if it meant we got Caruso too?
LaVine + Caruso is like 50m.
So youd have to hope DLO opts in:
- DLO (18m)
- Rui (17m)
- Vincent (11m)
- JHS (3m)
- Plus 2 1sts
Reaves
LaVine
Caruso / Prince
LeBron / Vando
AD
Plus MLE on a big like Jonas
It's pretty interesting if you think Levine can be healthy which he hasn't shown he can be. |
LaVine doesn’t move the needle much and is always injured, same with Ingram. These two are not the best targets. |
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danzag Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 8:30 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, hard pass on Lavine. |
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Bron2AD Star Player
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Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 8:49 am Post subject: |
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anth2000 wrote: | iimarshon wrote: | Would you guys trade for LaVine if it meant we got Caruso too?
LaVine + Caruso is like 50m.
So youd have to hope DLO opts in:
- DLO (18m)
- Rui (17m)
- Vincent (11m)
- JHS (3m)
- Plus 2 1sts
Reaves
LaVine
Caruso / Prince
LeBron / Vando
AD
Plus MLE on a big like Jonas
It's pretty interesting if you think Levine can be healthy which he hasn't shown he can be. |
LaVine doesn’t move the needle much and is always injured, same with Ingram. These two are not the best targets. |
Only target should be Trae young/ d Murray |
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E_Wulf420 Star Player
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Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 9:40 am Post subject: |
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anth2000 wrote: | iimarshon wrote: | Would you guys trade for LaVine if it meant we got Caruso too?
LaVine + Caruso is like 50m.
So youd have to hope DLO opts in:
- DLO (18m)
- Rui (17m)
- Vincent (11m)
- JHS (3m)
- Plus 2 1sts
Reaves
LaVine
Caruso / Prince
LeBron / Vando
AD
Plus MLE on a big like Jonas
It's pretty interesting if you think Levine can be healthy which he hasn't shown he can be. |
LaVine doesn’t move the needle much and is always injured, same with Ingram. These two are not the best targets. | If Ingram could be had for a cheap price I say you go with him
Dlo
Ingram
Lebron
Ad
Valuncunias
Vincent, Max, Vando, Reddish, TP, Wood, and Hayes off the bench _________________
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Bron2AD Star Player
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Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 9:45 am Post subject: |
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E_Wulf420 wrote: | anth2000 wrote: | iimarshon wrote: | Would you guys trade for LaVine if it meant we got Caruso too?
LaVine + Caruso is like 50m.
So youd have to hope DLO opts in:
- DLO (18m)
- Rui (17m)
- Vincent (11m)
- JHS (3m)
- Plus 2 1sts
Reaves
LaVine
Caruso / Prince
LeBron / Vando
AD
Plus MLE on a big like Jonas
It's pretty interesting if you think Levine can be healthy which he hasn't shown he can be. |
LaVine doesn’t move the needle much and is always injured, same with Ingram. These two are not the best targets. | If Ingram could be had for a cheap price I say you go with him
Dlo
Ingram
Lebron
Ad
Valuncunias
Vincent, Max, Vando, Reddish, TP, Wood, and Hayes off the bench |
Ingram is not a winning player. Dribble dribble 12-15 seconds and then shot mid jumpers |
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LakerSD Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 10:18 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | We received some LeBron James, Lakers updates from @jovanbuha today:
- James & the Lakers have mutual interest in him staying
- James hopes LA adds a 3rd star (pushed for the additions of Murray & LaVine)
- With James’ contract up in the air, his franchise power returns
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LeGM going to gut the team for Trae Young and play-in merchant next season too |
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lakersfever714 Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 10:29 am Post subject: |
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iimarshon wrote: | I hope someone overpays KCP in free agency to break up Nuggets starting 5.
A team like OKC or Orlando should pay KCP 22-24m for 2-3 years.
OKC has like 30m in FA -- if im them im getting KCP for 50m total for 2 years (~25m average) and Drummond for like 5-7m on a one year deal.
KCP on OKC would be nasty, weakens Denver and if they can overpay for a short term deal, would be off their books before they max JDub and Chet. |
Aaron Gordon is the difference maker. Ever since the Nuggets traded for Gordon, they became completely different, almost like the Lakers before and after the Pau Gasol trade. He was actually an East all-star when Denver traded for him. He needs to go. Otherwise, Denver will be a force for at least six more years since Jokic is only 29. _________________ Playoffs is good enough. - Jeanie Buss 2024 |
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Bron2AD Star Player
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Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 10:36 am Post subject: |
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LakerSD wrote: | Quote: | We received some LeBron James, Lakers updates from @jovanbuha today:
- James & the Lakers have mutual interest in him staying
- James hopes LA adds a 3rd star (pushed for the additions of Murray & LaVine)
- With James’ contract up in the air, his franchise power returns
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LeGM going to gut the team for Trae Young and play-in merchant next season too |
LeGM #1 fan |
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lakersfever714 Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 10:38 am Post subject: |
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Bron2AD wrote: | anth2000 wrote: | iimarshon wrote: | Would you guys trade for LaVine if it meant we got Caruso too?
LaVine + Caruso is like 50m.
So youd have to hope DLO opts in:
- DLO (18m)
- Rui (17m)
- Vincent (11m)
- JHS (3m)
- Plus 2 1sts
Reaves
LaVine
Caruso / Prince
LeBron / Vando
AD
Plus MLE on a big like Jonas
It's pretty interesting if you think Levine can be healthy which he hasn't shown he can be. |
LaVine doesn’t move the needle much and is always injured, same with Ingram. These two are not the best targets. |
Only target should be Trae young/ d Murray |
No more midget guards who play no defense. KCP would be better than Trae. I'd want KCP back if possible. _________________ Playoffs is good enough. - Jeanie Buss 2024 |
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BILBJH Star Player
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Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 10:53 am Post subject: |
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All of our players' weaknesses have been exposed so you'd likely have to overpay for someone.
The reason you'd trade for Ingram is the same principle as the Dodgers signing Glasnow. He's possibly undervalued or available because of his injury history.
But even with his injuries, Rui and Reaves have been exposed so you'd have to give up draft capital and then it's another AD overpay for a lesser player.
In spite of their flaws, I think Reaves and Rui are good value contracts and might flourish post LeBron and Ham with a coach who knows how to make better use of their strong points and without having to sit in the corner deferring to the stars all the time.
Because Jeanie is an idiot with no vision, I think we'll just sign Bron for three more years because she can't think of something better to do.
This would be the equivalent of Kobe's last years, except without the draft picks because we'll probably trade them away to get some mid tier star who will solve nothing.
All I can say is look at Beal. That's what trading all our picks for a player like Trae or Murray might look like.
Even Milwaukee with Lillard. We shouldn't waste our picks and players on someone who won't make a difference in the grand scheme of things. |
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Bron2AD Star Player
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Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 11:01 am Post subject: |
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Keep draft picks so u can draft busts like JHS 😂 |
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