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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | pjiddy wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | This isn’t just a simple, if you want to hold out you will have to wait until we find a better deal.. the more he drags this out the more his value decreases, the Nets aren’t gonna put up with superstars who are holding the Organization hostage. |
Everyone laughed at Morey thinking he could get a superstar in exchange for Simmons. And that the longer he held out, the more depressed his value would be.
He got a much better return than the ones being offered when Simmons first demanded his trade. The playbook on this has already been written. No need to rush a trade. |
Did Simmons demand a trade? |
After the playoffs, Doc questioned Simmons' leadership ability, which was one of the worst things a head coach could do. Simmons demanded a trade after that. Doc never owned up to his incompetence. He should send KG a fruit basket for making him into such a household name in coaching. |
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| activeverb wrote: | | lakersfever714 wrote: | | pjiddy wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | This isn’t just a simple, if you want to hold out you will have to wait until we find a better deal.. the more he drags this out the more his value decreases, the Nets aren’t gonna put up with superstars who are holding the Organization hostage. |
Everyone laughed at Morey thinking he could get a superstar in exchange for Simmons. And that the longer he held out, the more depressed his value would be.
He got a much better return than the ones being offered when Simmons first demanded his trade. The playbook on this has already been written. No need to rush a trade. |
Simmons wasn't playing so it was easy for Philly to deal with him since he didn't have to get bombarded with questions from the media. KD and Kyrie will be grilled by the media every single day.
I'm not sure Philly got a good deal for Simmons though because they did give up quite a lot for Harden, who was playing terrible at the time.
Nets could hang on to KD but there's no guarantee they would get a better offer than they have now. One thing is for certain though is that it will be a distraction for them. |
Again, people are overlooking that the Nets could hang onto Durant and never trade him. It's not like that trading him is mandatory or inevitable. |
They could but would they? Unhappy employees, though still getting paid normally, will be unproductive. Assuming they would try their best to mend their relationship during the season. If it didn't work out and KD made a scene like Butler did, do you think his trade value would go up or down by then?
I mean technically they could just keep him for his entire contract but... |
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Again, people are overlooking that the Nets could hang onto Durant and never trade him. It's not like that trading him is mandatory or inevitable. |
If Kevin holds out, then what good does that do? Kevin has already been paid 25% of his salary for next season, so it isn't like the Ben Simmons situation in Philadelphia. Kevin could hold out next season with $11 million in his pocket. |
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| JUST-MING wrote: | | activeverb wrote: |
Again, people are overlooking that the Nets could hang onto Durant and never trade him. It's not like that trading him is mandatory or inevitable. |
If Kevin holds out, then what good does that do? Kevin has already been paid 25% of his salary for next season, so it isn't like the Ben Simmons situation in Philadelphia. Kevin could hold out next season with $11 million in his pocket. |
If Kevin holds out, the Nets can recover the money from him. It's an advance against services. If he doesn't provide the services, they can sue to get it back. |
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| activeverb wrote: | | JUST-MING wrote: | | activeverb wrote: |
Again, people are overlooking that the Nets could hang onto Durant and never trade him. It's not like that trading him is mandatory or inevitable. |
If Kevin holds out, then what good does that do? Kevin has already been paid 25% of his salary for next season, so it isn't like the Ben Simmons situation in Philadelphia. Kevin could hold out next season with $11 million in his pocket. |
If Kevin holds out, the Nets can recover the money from him. It's an advance against services. If he doesn't provide the services, they can sue to get it back. |
We're back at the, "what good does that do?" The Nets aren't winning games and they don't control their first round draft pick. Kevin wants out. Kyrie wants a new contract. Ben doesn't want to play there. That team is a mess. |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | pjiddy wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | This isn’t just a simple, if you want to hold out you will have to wait until we find a better deal.. the more he drags this out the more his value decreases, the Nets aren’t gonna put up with superstars who are holding the Organization hostage. |
Everyone laughed at Morey thinking he could get a superstar in exchange for Simmons. And that the longer he held out, the more depressed his value would be.
He got a much better return than the ones being offered when Simmons first demanded his trade. The playbook on this has already been written. No need to rush a trade. |
Did Simmons demand a trade? |
Is that a serious question? Just in case you're being serious:
https://clutchpoints.com/sixers-rumors-ben-simmons-real-reason-for-trade-demand-according-to-rich-paul/
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| lakersfever714 wrote: | | After the playoffs, Doc questioned Simmons' leadership ability, which was one of the worst things a head coach could do. Simmons demanded a trade after that. Doc never owned up to his incompetence. He should send KG a fruit basket for making him into such a household name in coaching. |
Every time I see someone say something like this, I just shake my head. Doc Rivers said what everyone already thought, and Simmons proceeded to prove him right. The idea that pro athletes are delicate snowflakes is remarkable. I mean, Phil Jackson wrote a freaking book about Kobe, and Kobe got over it. Doc Rivers said he wasn't sure that they could win with Simmons, and some of you are acting like Simmons should be in psychotherapy. Wait, maybe he was.
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| JUST-MING wrote: | | activeverb wrote: |
Again, people are overlooking that the Nets could hang onto Durant and never trade him. It's not like that trading him is mandatory or inevitable. |
If Kevin holds out, then what good does that do? Kevin has already been paid 25% of his salary for next season, so it isn't like the Ben Simmons situation in Philadelphia. Kevin could hold out next season with $11 million in his pocket. |
You know, I really don't think that Durant is living paycheck to paycheck.
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| JUST-MING wrote: | | activeverb wrote: | | JUST-MING wrote: | | activeverb wrote: |
Again, people are overlooking that the Nets could hang onto Durant and never trade him. It's not like that trading him is mandatory or inevitable. |
If Kevin holds out, then what good does that do? Kevin has already been paid 25% of his salary for next season, so it isn't like the Ben Simmons situation in Philadelphia. Kevin could hold out next season with $11 million in his pocket. |
If Kevin holds out, the Nets can recover the money from him. It's an advance against services. If he doesn't provide the services, they can sue to get it back. |
We're back at the, "what good does that do?" The Nets aren't winning games and they don't control their first round draft pick. Kevin wants out. Kyrie wants a new contract. Ben doesn't want to play there. That team is a mess. |
ikr? Frankly, I don't really care what happened to them or to KD? All I really care about is what happens to Kyrie. I can't remember the last time we've discussed a bottom feeder team this much on this forum. Marks is thinking KD is a 9 while everyone else thinks he's a 6. Marks needs to come to his senses. |
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| JUST-MING wrote: | | activeverb wrote: | | JUST-MING wrote: | | activeverb wrote: |
Again, people are overlooking that the Nets could hang onto Durant and never trade him. It's not like that trading him is mandatory or inevitable. |
If Kevin holds out, then what good does that do? Kevin has already been paid 25% of his salary for next season, so it isn't like the Ben Simmons situation in Philadelphia. Kevin could hold out next season with $11 million in his pocket. |
If Kevin holds out, the Nets can recover the money from him. It's an advance against services. If he doesn't provide the services, they can sue to get it back. |
We're back at the, "what good does that do?" The Nets aren't winning games and they don't control their first round draft pick. Kevin wants out. Kyrie wants a new contract. Ben doesn't want to play there. That team is a mess. |
Well, first we'll see if Durant actually holds out. Then, if he does, we'll see how long the holdout lasts.
Durant is under contract for four more years. Simmons is under contract for three more years.
The Nets don't need to panic and make any rushed decisions. They don't need to make a trade they dislike just to appease Durant.
This situation can play out in a lot of different ways.
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| lakersfever714 wrote: | They could but would they? Unhappy employees, though still getting paid normally, will be unproductive. Assuming they would try their best to mend their relationship during the season. If it didn't work out and KD made a scene like Butler did, do you think his trade value would go up or down by then?
I mean technically they could just keep him for his entire contract but... |
Same comment that I made to IG and Doc: Some of you are so desperate for the Nets to trade Durant that you're letting your frustration cloud your reasoning. We heard the same thing last year about Simmons. I suggest that you consider the possibility that the team is not as helpless as you would like.
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| lakersfever714 wrote: | | activeverb wrote: | | lakersfever714 wrote: | | pjiddy wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | This isn’t just a simple, if you want to hold out you will have to wait until we find a better deal.. the more he drags this out the more his value decreases, the Nets aren’t gonna put up with superstars who are holding the Organization hostage. |
Everyone laughed at Morey thinking he could get a superstar in exchange for Simmons. And that the longer he held out, the more depressed his value would be.
He got a much better return than the ones being offered when Simmons first demanded his trade. The playbook on this has already been written. No need to rush a trade. |
Simmons wasn't playing so it was easy for Philly to deal with him since he didn't have to get bombarded with questions from the media. KD and Kyrie will be grilled by the media every single day.
I'm not sure Philly got a good deal for Simmons though because they did give up quite a lot for Harden, who was playing terrible at the time.
Nets could hang on to KD but there's no guarantee they would get a better offer than they have now. One thing is for certain though is that it will be a distraction for them. |
Again, people are overlooking that the Nets could hang onto Durant and never trade him. It's not like that trading him is mandatory or inevitable. |
They could but would they? Unhappy employees, though still getting paid normally, will be unproductive. Assuming they would try their best to mend their relationship during the season. If it didn't work out and KD made a scene like Butler did, do you think his trade value would go up or down by then?
I mean technically they could just keep him for his entire contract but... |
We're not talking about office employees. We are talking about world-class athletes.
There are plenty of examples of NBA stars who were dreadfully unhappy with their team and demanding to be traded one moment, and having great success with that team the next moment.
I have no idea what the Nets will do. I just disagree with the people who insist the Nets "have" to do this or that. The Nets have as many options as they want to have.
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| activeverb wrote: | | JUST-MING wrote: | | activeverb wrote: |
Again, people are overlooking that the Nets could hang onto Durant and never trade him. It's not like that trading him is mandatory or inevitable. |
If Kevin holds out, then what good does that do? Kevin has already been paid 25% of his salary for next season, so it isn't like the Ben Simmons situation in Philadelphia. Kevin could hold out next season with $11 million in his pocket. |
If Kevin holds out, the Nets can recover the money from him. It's an advance against services. If he doesn't provide the services, they can sue to get it back. |
I expect in the next CBA this practice of prepaying players to either become prohibited or regulated in a way that prevents it from being a player side leverage. The vast majority of players don’t get this anyway, and I can’t see it as something the rank and file will fight for while the Owners need more ways to de-incentivize star player holdouts.
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| lakersfever714 wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | pjiddy wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | This isn’t just a simple, if you want to hold out you will have to wait until we find a better deal.. the more he drags this out the more his value decreases, the Nets aren’t gonna put up with superstars who are holding the Organization hostage. |
Everyone laughed at Morey thinking he could get a superstar in exchange for Simmons. And that the longer he held out, the more depressed his value would be.
He got a much better return than the ones being offered when Simmons first demanded his trade. The playbook on this has already been written. No need to rush a trade. |
Did Simmons demand a trade? |
After the playoffs, Doc questioned Simmons' leadership ability, which was one of the worst things a head coach could do. Simmons demanded a trade after that. Doc never owned up to his incompetence. He should send KG a fruit basket for making him into such a household name in coaching. |
Tom Thibodeau should send KG 10 fruit baskets, for making him into a household name as a defensive guru. |
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| Laker's Fan wrote: | | activeverb wrote: | | JUST-MING wrote: | | activeverb wrote: |
Again, people are overlooking that the Nets could hang onto Durant and never trade him. It's not like that trading him is mandatory or inevitable. |
If Kevin holds out, then what good does that do? Kevin has already been paid 25% of his salary for next season, so it isn't like the Ben Simmons situation in Philadelphia. Kevin could hold out next season with $11 million in his pocket. |
If Kevin holds out, the Nets can recover the money from him. It's an advance against services. If he doesn't provide the services, they can sue to get it back. |
I expect in the next CBA this practice of prepaying players to either become prohibited or regulated in a way that prevents it from being a player side leverage. The vast majority of players don’t get this anyway, and I can’t see it as something the rank and file will fight for while the Owners need more ways to de-incentivize star player holdouts. |
In Durant's case, I don't think this is a big deal.
Durant is probably worth $200 million plus. Tsai is probably worth $9 billion plus.
Neither of their positions is going to be influenced by an $11 million advance. |
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| zambia wrote: | | lakersfever714 wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | pjiddy wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | This isn’t just a simple, if you want to hold out you will have to wait until we find a better deal.. the more he drags this out the more his value decreases, the Nets aren’t gonna put up with superstars who are holding the Organization hostage. |
Everyone laughed at Morey thinking he could get a superstar in exchange for Simmons. And that the longer he held out, the more depressed his value would be.
He got a much better return than the ones being offered when Simmons first demanded his trade. The playbook on this has already been written. No need to rush a trade. |
Did Simmons demand a trade? |
After the playoffs, Doc questioned Simmons' leadership ability, which was one of the worst things a head coach could do. Simmons demanded a trade after that. Doc never owned up to his incompetence. He should send KG a fruit basket for making him into such a household name in coaching. |
Tom Thibodeau should send KG 10 fruit baskets, for making him into a household name as a defensive guru. |
Thibs built his reputation in Chicago where there was no KG. KG was already a defensive force when he was with Minny prior to coming to Foston. KG along with Paul Pierce and Ray Allen still in their prime were almost a gimme championship. Ask Doc what has he accomplished after that. |
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| lakersfever714 wrote: | | JUST-MING wrote: | | activeverb wrote: | | JUST-MING wrote: | | activeverb wrote: |
Again, people are overlooking that the Nets could hang onto Durant and never trade him. It's not like that trading him is mandatory or inevitable. |
If Kevin holds out, then what good does that do? Kevin has already been paid 25% of his salary for next season, so it isn't like the Ben Simmons situation in Philadelphia. Kevin could hold out next season with $11 million in his pocket. |
If Kevin holds out, the Nets can recover the money from him. It's an advance against services. If he doesn't provide the services, they can sue to get it back. |
We're back at the, "what good does that do?" The Nets aren't winning games and they don't control their first round draft pick. Kevin wants out. Kyrie wants a new contract. Ben doesn't want to play there. That team is a mess. |
ikr? Frankly, I don't really care what happened to them or to KD? All I really care about is what happens to Kyrie. I can't remember the last time we've discussed a bottom feeder team this much on this forum. Marks is thinking KD is a 9 while everyone else thinks he's a 6. Marks needs to come to his senses. |
The intensity of the Durant discussion is mostly driven by the hope/belief that if Durant is traded, the Nets will then trade Irving to us.
If the Nets traded Irving to, oh, Denver tomorrow, I think most of the Durant discussion on LG would disappear.
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| Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | pjiddy wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | This isn’t just a simple, if you want to hold out you will have to wait until we find a better deal.. the more he drags this out the more his value decreases, the Nets aren’t gonna put up with superstars who are holding the Organization hostage. |
Everyone laughed at Morey thinking he could get a superstar in exchange for Simmons. And that the longer he held out, the more depressed his value would be.
He got a much better return than the ones being offered when Simmons first demanded his trade. The playbook on this has already been written. No need to rush a trade. |
Did Simmons demand a trade? |
Is that a serious question? Just in case you're being serious:
https://clutchpoints.com/sixers-rumors-ben-simmons-real-reason-for-trade-demand-according-to-rich-paul/ |
Thanks for the heads up but that doesn’t change the way KD is handling his situation with BRK asking for Nash and Marks to get booted and essentially forcing the Nets management to trade him out of spite, what KD did is very rare and I would be interested to see if the Nets are willing to wait it out until they find the right deal. |
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Take it with a grain of salt. This guy was hot on Kyrie being traded to the Lakers during summer league as was a lot of people. Now he says the Nets are now willing to take Westbrook.
| Quote: | | My apologies on not spacing last night..but in short the Lakers are now willing to give up the 27/29 1st rd picks and a Brooklyn is willing to take on Westbrook. No timetable but the discussions are starting to heat up. #LakersNation |
https://twitter.com/fadde/status/1558852107054108672?t=YmxoE4aDAC-ls6fBhJRPMA&s=19
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Thanks for the heads up but that doesn’t change the way KD is handling his situation with BRK asking for Nash and Marks to get booted and essentially forcing the Nets management to trade him out of spite, what KD did is very rare and I would be interested to see if the Nets are willing to wait it out until they find the right deal. |
Actually, I'm not sure that's its rare. What is rare is that it became public. I would not be surprised a bit if similar things have been said many times in private. We know that Magic did it with Westhead. Who knows what MJ and Pippen said about Krause? There are probably other instances, but those are enough to make the point. There may not have been another case that was *exactly* like this one, but there have probably been a decent number of players who have told owners that they wanted coaches and/or GMs fired.
It's interesting that Durant decided to leak it. (It seems to be accepted that the leak came from his camp.) As we've seen many times, NBA players live in their own world, and this is especially true for the stars. Durant might have thought that playing this card in public was a winning move. If so, he may have been dead wrong.
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The longer this drama continues with the Nets, the more I am liking it.
Net’s mess is saving the Lakers from making another monumental mistake by trading for Irving out of desperation.
Reports of the Lakers now being willing to give up the 2 FRPs just reveals how ridiculous this has become. It is like a frenzy to win a bid on Ebay even though you know the bids have exceeded the value but you just can’t help yourself. You “want” it! |
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| 32 wrote: | Take it with a grain of salt. This guy was hot on Kyrie being traded to the Lakers during summer league as was a lot of people. Now he says the Nets are now willing to take Westbrook.
| Quote: | | My apologies on not spacing last night..but in short the Lakers are now willing to give up the 27/29 1st rd picks and a Brooklyn is willing to take on Westbrook. No timetable but the discussions are starting to heat up. #LakersNation |
https://twitter.com/fadde/status/1558852107054108672?t=YmxoE4aDAC-ls6fBhJRPMA&s=19 |
This guy isn't reliable though? |
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| Four Decade Bandwagon wrote: | The longer this drama continues with the Nets, the more I am liking it.
Net’s mess is saving the Lakers from making another monumental mistake by trading for Irving out of desperation.
Reports of the Lakers now being willing to give up the 2 FRPs just reveals how ridiculous this has become. It is like a frenzy to win a bid on Ebay even though you know the bids have exceeded the value but you just can’t help yourself. You “want” it! |
I hear you. I have conflicting feelings on the matter. On the one hand, the idea of replacing Westbrook with Irving is just about irresistible. On the other hand, it's freaking Kyrie Irving. It's hard to imagine how Irving could make things worse than Westbrook, but I wouldn't underrate his ability to alienate everyone.
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| logical24 wrote: | | 32 wrote: | Take it with a grain of salt. This guy was hot on Kyrie being traded to the Lakers during summer league as was a lot of people. Now he says the Nets are now willing to take Westbrook.
| Quote: | | My apologies on not spacing last night..but in short the Lakers are now willing to give up the 27/29 1st rd picks and a Brooklyn is willing to take on Westbrook. No timetable but the discussions are starting to heat up. #LakersNation |
https://twitter.com/fadde/status/1558852107054108672?t=YmxoE4aDAC-ls6fBhJRPMA&s=19 |
This guy isn't reliable though? |
Wasn’t that over a week ago when someone reported that?
Not new news…regurgitated news, it sounds like. |
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