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| dcarter4kobe wrote: | Rui isn't worth more than MLE. Have to be careful not to over pay here.
With that said the full MLE is worth 56M/4y with cap going up. Hopefully something around 4y/50M happens. |
I say he's looking for about 3/45mil. We'll see, |
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| Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2023 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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| LakerDYnasty72 wrote: | | dcarter4kobe wrote: | Rui isn't worth more than MLE. Have to be careful not to over pay here.
With that said the full MLE is worth 56M/4y with cap going up. Hopefully something around 4y/50M happens. |
I say he's looking for about 3/45mil. We'll see, |
That's my number too. Hopefully the FO has a Plan B in case some other
team pays stupid money. I'm beginning to look at some UFA PF's like
George Niang and/or Trey Lyles.
It never hurts to plan.
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| Quote: | | Rui Hachimura decided not to play for Japan National Team this summer at FIBA World Cup, JBA has just announced. In a press release, Hachimura says it was a tough decision, but he wants to focus on preparation for the upcoming season and NBA career. |
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| ocho wrote: | | Quote: | | Rui Hachimura decided not to play for Japan National Team this summer at FIBA World Cup, JBA has just announced. In a press release, Hachimura says it was a tough decision, but he wants to focus on preparation for the upcoming season and NBA career. |
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| ocho wrote: | | Quote: | | Rui Hachimura decided not to play for Japan National Team this summer at FIBA World Cup, JBA has just announced. In a press release, Hachimura says it was a tough decision, but he wants to focus on preparation for the upcoming season and NBA career. |
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Just read this. Yay.
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That is awesome news
I see weight gain and defensive mastery
That must have been a really tough choice to make |
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| ocho wrote: | | Quote: | | Rui Hachimura decided not to play for Japan National Team this summer at FIBA World Cup, JBA has just announced. In a press release, Hachimura says it was a tough decision, but he wants to focus on preparation for the upcoming Laker season and NBA career. |
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For Rui, what should the goal be?
To be a better SF/wing defender?
Or work on being a stronger PF/post defender?
I wish I could say both but he seems more of a "PF/post defender" type to me. He struggled guarding purely wing players at times.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | For Rui, what should the goal be?
To be a better SF/wing defender?
Or work on being a stronger PF/post defender?
I wish I could say both but he seems more of a "PF/post defender" type to me. He struggled guarding purely wing players at times. |
He seems to have the physical attributes. He needs to gain the confidence and be more aggressive on both ends. |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | For Rui, what should the goal be?
To be a better SF/wing defender?
Or work on being a stronger PF/post defender?
I wish I could say both but he seems more of a "PF/post defender" type to me. He struggled guarding purely wing players at times. |
He has to be imho a PF that can occasionally take on a sf. His foot speed seems slow for them but quick for PF. He can also body some Cs.
The org has to come to the realization that AD is a 5. We need Rui starting at the 4. Unfortunately we don’t have a 3.
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| Halflife wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | For Rui, what should the goal be?
To be a better SF/wing defender?
Or work on being a stronger PF/post defender?
I wish I could say both but he seems more of a "PF/post defender" type to me. He struggled guarding purely wing players at times. |
He has to be imho a PF that can occasionally take on a sf. His foot speed seems slow for them but quick for PF. He can also body some Cs.
The org has to come to the realization that AD is a 5. We need Rui starting at the 4. Unfortunately we don’t have a 3. |
So trade Lebron for Kahwi?  |
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| Halflife wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | For Rui, what should the goal be?
To be a better SF/wing defender?
Or work on being a stronger PF/post defender?
I wish I could say both but he seems more of a "PF/post defender" type to me. He struggled guarding purely wing players at times. |
He has to be imho a PF that can occasionally take on a sf. His foot speed seems slow for them but quick for PF. He can also body some Cs.
The org has to come to the realization that AD is a 5. We need Rui starting at the 4. Unfortunately we don’t have a 3. |
Lebron starts at the 4.
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| Halflife wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | For Rui, what should the goal be?
To be a better SF/wing defender?
Or work on being a stronger PF/post defender?
I wish I could say both but he seems more of a "PF/post defender" type to me. He struggled guarding purely wing players at times. |
He has to be imho a PF that can occasionally take on a sf. His foot speed seems slow for them but quick for PF. He can also body some Cs.
The org has to come to the realization that AD is a 5. We need Rui starting at the 4. Unfortunately we don’t have a 3. |
I think the org has come to the realization that Lebron has lost the athleticism necessary for him to defend wings, therefore he has to start at 4, which means AD has to start out of position at the 5.
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| LakersInFour wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | For Rui, what should the goal be?
To be a better SF/wing defender?
Or work on being a stronger PF/post defender?
I wish I could say both but he seems more of a "PF/post defender" type to me. He struggled guarding purely wing players at times. |
He has to be imho a PF that can occasionally take on a sf. His foot speed seems slow for them but quick for PF. He can also body some Cs.
The org has to come to the realization that AD is a 5. We need Rui starting at the 4. Unfortunately we don’t have a 3. |
I think the org has come to the realization that Lebron has lost the athleticism necessary for him to defend wings, therefore he has to start at 4, which means AD has to start out of position at the 5. |
I personally like rui/AD in the front court. we need a legit 3d more than a PG. We have to build the best team rather than cater to egos.
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| We were doing fine with Vando starting at the 3/4 with Lebron. We ran into a buzz saw against Denver. I think that can work for the regular season, but we need someone to cover in the playoffs if Vando is not getting it done. Rui does not need to start. Play him more minutes than Vando of course. |
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| Halflife wrote: | | LakersInFour wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | For Rui, what should the goal be?
To be a better SF/wing defender?
Or work on being a stronger PF/post defender?
I wish I could say both but he seems more of a "PF/post defender" type to me. He struggled guarding purely wing players at times. |
He has to be imho a PF that can occasionally take on a sf. His foot speed seems slow for them but quick for PF. He can also body some Cs.
The org has to come to the realization that AD is a 5. We need Rui starting at the 4. Unfortunately we don’t have a 3. |
I think the org has come to the realization that Lebron has lost the athleticism necessary for him to defend wings, therefore he has to start at 4, which means AD has to start out of position at the 5. |
I personally like rui/AD in the front court. we need a legit 3d more than a PG. We have to build the best team rather than cater to egos. |
I don't see it as an ego thing with AD, I just happen to believe that AD is more effective as a 4 than a 5, and playing against bigger 5s exposes him to more injuries than he would as a 4.
However, Lebron can't guard wings anymore, so neither AD nor Rui can start at the 4 as long as Lebron is with us.
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| LakersInFour wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | LakersInFour wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | For Rui, what should the goal be?
To be a better SF/wing defender?
Or work on being a stronger PF/post defender?
I wish I could say both but he seems more of a "PF/post defender" type to me. He struggled guarding purely wing players at times. |
He has to be imho a PF that can occasionally take on a sf. His foot speed seems slow for them but quick for PF. He can also body some Cs.
The org has to come to the realization that AD is a 5. We need Rui starting at the 4. Unfortunately we don’t have a 3. |
I think the org has come to the realization that Lebron has lost the athleticism necessary for him to defend wings, therefore he has to start at 4, which means AD has to start out of position at the 5. |
I personally like rui/AD in the front court. we need a legit 3d more than a PG. We have to build the best team rather than cater to egos. |
I don't see it as an ego thing with AD, I just happen to believe that AD is more effective as a 4 than a 5, and playing against bigger 5s exposes him to more injuries than he would as a 4.
However, Lebron can't guard wings anymore, so neither AD nor Rui can start at the 4 as long as Lebron is with us. |
he was effective as the 4 because his mid range shot was deadly, and can also shoot the 3. 3 years after that, Teams are daring him to make those shots. |
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| LakersInFour wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | LakersInFour wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | For Rui, what should the goal be?
To be a better SF/wing defender?
Or work on being a stronger PF/post defender?
I wish I could say both but he seems more of a "PF/post defender" type to me. He struggled guarding purely wing players at times. |
He has to be imho a PF that can occasionally take on a sf. His foot speed seems slow for them but quick for PF. He can also body some Cs.
The org has to come to the realization that AD is a 5. We need Rui starting at the 4. Unfortunately we don’t have a 3. |
I think the org has come to the realization that Lebron has lost the athleticism necessary for him to defend wings, therefore he has to start at 4, which means AD has to start out of position at the 5. |
I personally like rui/AD in the front court. we need a legit 3d more than a PG. We have to build the best team rather than cater to egos. |
I don't see it as an ego thing with AD, I just happen to believe that AD is more effective as a 4 than a 5, and playing against bigger 5s exposes him to more injuries than he would as a 4.
However, Lebron can't guard wings anymore, so neither AD nor Rui can start at the 4 as long as Lebron is with us. |
he's only a 4 because he likes to roam on the perimeter but he is best near the rim. Rui needs to be starting and the 4 is his best position IMHO. We have seen other greats come off the bench. Would bron? he can be that spark where he gets any shot.
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| LakersInFour wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | LakersInFour wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | For Rui, what should the goal be?
To be a better SF/wing defender?
Or work on being a stronger PF/post defender?
I wish I could say both but he seems more of a "PF/post defender" type to me. He struggled guarding purely wing players at times. |
He has to be imho a PF that can occasionally take on a sf. His foot speed seems slow for them but quick for PF. He can also body some Cs.
The org has to come to the realization that AD is a 5. We need Rui starting at the 4. Unfortunately we don’t have a 3. |
I think the org has come to the realization that Lebron has lost the athleticism necessary for him to defend wings, therefore he has to start at 4, which means AD has to start out of position at the 5. |
I personally like rui/AD in the front court. we need a legit 3d more than a PG. We have to build the best team rather than cater to egos. |
I don't see it as an ego thing with AD, I just happen to believe that AD is more effective as a 4 than a 5, and playing against bigger 5s exposes him to more injuries than he would as a 4.
However, Lebron can't guard wings anymore, so neither AD nor Rui can start at the 4 as long as Lebron is with us. |
I think he was talking about Lebrons ego not ADs lol |
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| Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2023 10:19 am Post subject: |
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| LakersInFour wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | LakersInFour wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | For Rui, what should the goal be?
To be a better SF/wing defender?
Or work on being a stronger PF/post defender?
I wish I could say both but he seems more of a "PF/post defender" type to me. He struggled guarding purely wing players at times. |
He has to be imho a PF that can occasionally take on a sf. His foot speed seems slow for them but quick for PF. He can also body some Cs.
The org has to come to the realization that AD is a 5. We need Rui starting at the 4. Unfortunately we don’t have a 3. |
I think the org has come to the realization that Lebron has lost the athleticism necessary for him to defend wings, therefore he has to start at 4, which means AD has to start out of position at the 5. |
I personally like rui/AD in the front court. we need a legit 3d more than a PG. We have to build the best team rather than cater to egos. |
I don't see it as an ego thing with AD, I just happen to believe that AD is more effective as a 4 than a 5, and playing against bigger 5s exposes him to more injuries than he would as a 4.
However, Lebron can't guard wings anymore, so neither AD nor Rui can start at the 4 as long as Lebron is with us. |
he's only a 4 because he likes to roam on the perimeter but he is best near the rim. Rui needs to be starting and the 4 is his best position IMHO. We have seen other greats come off the bench. Would bron? he can be that spark where he gets any shot.
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| Halflife wrote: | | LakersInFour wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | LakersInFour wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | For Rui, what should the goal be?
To be a better SF/wing defender?
Or work on being a stronger PF/post defender?
I wish I could say both but he seems more of a "PF/post defender" type to me. He struggled guarding purely wing players at times. |
He has to be imho a PF that can occasionally take on a sf. His foot speed seems slow for them but quick for PF. He can also body some Cs.
The org has to come to the realization that AD is a 5. We need Rui starting at the 4. Unfortunately we don’t have a 3. |
I think the org has come to the realization that Lebron has lost the athleticism necessary for him to defend wings, therefore he has to start at 4, which means AD has to start out of position at the 5. |
I personally like rui/AD in the front court. we need a legit 3d more than a PG. We have to build the best team rather than cater to egos. |
I don't see it as an ego thing with AD, I just happen to believe that AD is more effective as a 4 than a 5, and playing against bigger 5s exposes him to more injuries than he would as a 4.
However, Lebron can't guard wings anymore, so neither AD nor Rui can start at the 4 as long as Lebron is with us. |
he's only a 4 because he likes to roam on the perimeter but he is best near the rim. Rui needs to be starting and the 4 is his best position IMHO. We have seen other greats come off the bench. Would bron? he can be that spark where he gets any shot. |
LeBron is still 20x better than Rui, why would we bench LeBron to start Rui? Come on. |
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| tox wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | LakersInFour wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | LakersInFour wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | For Rui, what should the goal be?
To be a better SF/wing defender?
Or work on being a stronger PF/post defender?
I wish I could say both but he seems more of a "PF/post defender" type to me. He struggled guarding purely wing players at times. |
He has to be imho a PF that can occasionally take on a sf. His foot speed seems slow for them but quick for PF. He can also body some Cs.
The org has to come to the realization that AD is a 5. We need Rui starting at the 4. Unfortunately we don’t have a 3. |
I think the org has come to the realization that Lebron has lost the athleticism necessary for him to defend wings, therefore he has to start at 4, which means AD has to start out of position at the 5. |
I personally like rui/AD in the front court. we need a legit 3d more than a PG. We have to build the best team rather than cater to egos. |
I don't see it as an ego thing with AD, I just happen to believe that AD is more effective as a 4 than a 5, and playing against bigger 5s exposes him to more injuries than he would as a 4.
However, Lebron can't guard wings anymore, so neither AD nor Rui can start at the 4 as long as Lebron is with us. |
he's only a 4 because he likes to roam on the perimeter but he is best near the rim. Rui needs to be starting and the 4 is his best position IMHO. We have seen other greats come off the bench. Would bron? he can be that spark where he gets any shot. |
LeBron is still 20x better than Rui, why would we bench LeBron to start Rui? Come on. |
he's not 20xs better than him. I like Ruis ability to switch with AD defensively. Thats just my opinion. We need a legit 3d guy.
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| deal wrote: | | LakerDYnasty72 wrote: | | dcarter4kobe wrote: | Rui isn't worth more than MLE. Have to be careful not to over pay here.
With that said the full MLE is worth 56M/4y with cap going up. Hopefully something around 4y/50M happens. |
I say he's looking for about 3/45mil. We'll see, |
That's my number too. Hopefully the FO has a Plan B in case some other
team pays stupid money. I'm beginning to look at some UFA PF's like
George Niang and/or Trey Lyles.
It never hurts to plan. |
I doubt that there will be a robust market for Rui
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| mad55557777 wrote: | | he was effective as the 4 because his mid range shot was deadly, and can also shoot the 3. 3 years after that, Teams are daring him to make those shots. |
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=anthony+davis+shot+chart+2019-2020
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=anthony+davis+shot+chart+2020-2021
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=anthony+davis+shot+chart+2021-2022
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=anthony+davis+shot+chart+2022-2023
Big drop-off in three point shooting since 19/20, but also a much smaller sample size. He wasn't exactly lethal from 3 in 19/20, so maybe they just asked him to stop taking as many three point attempts. Honestly his mid-range percentages look to be fairly consistent, maybe even improved a bit (22/23 vs 19/20).
Besides the percentages, I don't want AD hanging out on the perimeter on offense. If he was shooting +36% on a consistent basis AND/OR we had a good post player on the floor with him (perhaps Rui?) I wouldn't mind, but it appears him shooting less volume from 3 was by design.
Those are regular season numbers - AD shot much better from 3 in the 19/20 postseason (38.3 on nearly 3 attempts) while he was right at 33% (on 1 attempt) this year.
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| Halflife wrote: | | LakersInFour wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | LakersInFour wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | For Rui, what should the goal be?
To be a better SF/wing defender?
Or work on being a stronger PF/post defender?
I wish I could say both but he seems more of a "PF/post defender" type to me. He struggled guarding purely wing players at times. |
He has to be imho a PF that can occasionally take on a sf. His foot speed seems slow for them but quick for PF. He can also body some Cs.
The org has to come to the realization that AD is a 5. We need Rui starting at the 4. Unfortunately we don’t have a 3. |
I think the org has come to the realization that Lebron has lost the athleticism necessary for him to defend wings, therefore he has to start at 4, which means AD has to start out of position at the 5. |
I personally like rui/AD in the front court. we need a legit 3d more than a PG. We have to build the best team rather than cater to egos. |
I don't see it as an ego thing with AD, I just happen to believe that AD is more effective as a 4 than a 5, and playing against bigger 5s exposes him to more injuries than he would as a 4.
However, Lebron can't guard wings anymore, so neither AD nor Rui can start at the 4 as long as Lebron is with us. |
he's only a 4 because he likes to roam on the perimeter but he is best near the rim. Rui needs to be starting and the 4 is his best position IMHO. We have seen other greats come off the bench. Would bron? he can be that spark where he gets any shot. |
I don't think Lebron is coming off the bench under any circumstance. His ego is not going to allow for that. I think your idea about adding a 3 is probably our best strategy for improving the team this offseason, because AD is not realistically playing the 4 so upgrading at C is not the best use of resources.
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