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mad55557777
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| JeezyXVII wrote: | | BILBJH wrote: | Hachimura gives you slightly less production but maybe a little better shooting at a lower price than Kuzma.
The three 2nds just feels like an overpay again though.
Kuzma vs. Hachimura |
He just put up 30 against the Magic a few nights ago. I think this is a good get, specially if Lonnie leaves in FA, but we have to resign him to an extension to make up for all the 2nd round picks were giving. |
we will have his bird rights, so unless Jeanie is being cheap again, we should be able to resign him (if he performs) |
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| Barry Seal wrote: | | BILBJH wrote: | Hachimura gives you slightly less production but maybe a little better shooting at a lower price than Kuzma.
The three 2nds just feels like an overpay again though.
Kuzma vs. Hachimura |
Definitely an over pay |
We had 7 2nd round picks available to trade including 2 in the upcoming draft. As we saw with Christie, you can always just buy a 2nd. Flipping 3 of them for a lottery talent who was #9 a few years ago and fills a desperate need is a good trade.
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mad55557777
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| vasashi17+ wrote: | FYI:
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Projected 2023/24 Offseason Laker Cap Sheet on a 136m Salary Cap
1. Bron 47.6m
2. AD 40.6m
3. Rui 18.8m (RFA caphold)
4. Damien (player option) 2.6m
5. MaxC 1.7m
6. 2023 1st pick swap w/NO ~3m (based on pick falling between #20-30)
7. Reaves RFA QO (“starter criteria”* met) 6.3m
8-12. 5 incomplete roster (IR) charges 5.5m
= 126.1m in team salary
= 9.9m in cap space (if we renounce all our UFAs)
= 11.4m in cap space (if Damien opts out and is renounced as an UFA)
= 36.8m in cap space (if we purge everyone except for Bron & AD)
*to meet “starter criteria” Austin would have to start in at least 41 regular season games or play at least 2000 minutes in total during the regular season; if he does not meet “starter criteria”, his caphold shrinks to 2.1m and that gives back roughly 4.2m in cap space that can be used towards the numbers above (ie 14.1m in cap space w/Damien opt in & 15.6m in cap space with Damien player opt out)
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basically we will have no cap space this summer or very little with this trade. now i really hope they trade Russ to bring back more pieces. letting him expire doesn't help us much. same can be said for Pat Bev. |
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BILBJH
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| Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2023 9:58 am Post subject: |
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| Barry Seal wrote: | | BILBJH wrote: | Hachimura gives you slightly less production but maybe a little better shooting at a lower price than Kuzma.
The three 2nds just feels like an overpay again though.
Kuzma vs. Hachimura |
Definitely an over pay |
I had high hopes for the kid when he came into the league but his numbers are lower than Kyle's.
I'll be rooting for him, and hope he blossoms in LA, but I was looking forward to what we could have done with the 38/39 picks next year. |
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Lakersfan1211
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| Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2023 9:58 am Post subject: |
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| Another player that Russ is also familiar with, hopefully both of em can help on offense with Bron resting. We always lose our leads whenever Bron sits. |
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dont_be_a_wuss
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| He makes a little over $1M more than Nunn and we are in the $3.25/$1 luxury tax bracket, so Jeannie is paying $4.25M more with this trade. Maybe Jeannie is actually willing to spend. |
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Snipes
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| Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2023 9:59 am Post subject: |
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| Why does Rob only trade with the Wiz and why do we always get fleeced? Lmak |
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anth2000
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From just about everything I am reading, including Washington fans, this is a solid A+ trade for the Lakers.
Didn't give up a ton for a dude who just put up 30 the other day. |
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| Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2023 10:00 am Post subject: |
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| BILBJH wrote: | | Barry Seal wrote: | | BILBJH wrote: | Hachimura gives you slightly less production but maybe a little better shooting at a lower price than Kuzma.
The three 2nds just feels like an overpay again though.
Kuzma vs. Hachimura |
Definitely an over pay |
I had high hopes for the kid when he came into the league but his numbers are lower than Kyle's.
I'll be rooting for him, and hope he blossoms in LA, but I was looking forward to what we could have done with the 38/39 picks next year. |
Same. Seems so unnecessary. This front office never learns |
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anth2000
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| Snipes wrote: | | Why does Rob only trade with the Wiz and why do we always get fleeced? Lmak |
How did we get fleeced? Nunn sucks and 3 2nd rounds picks are mid-level value. I think the Lakers did great. |
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| Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2023 10:00 am Post subject: |
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| mad55557777 wrote: | | epic_ wrote: | 3 2nd round picks? Geez.
Hopefully 1 or 2 are protected. |
we did get 2 2nd round picks from the Wizards in the Russ trade, so we really didn't give up much |
Exactly - the reason to hoard 2nd rounders is for trades like this. Take a flyer on a guy who's young and has proven he's an NBA baller (4 straight double digit scoring seasons).
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| Halflife wrote: | | I have no idea about his game but we aren’t giving up much. |
does the first part contradict with the 2nd part? |
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Snipes
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| Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2023 10:00 am Post subject: |
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| ocho wrote: | | Barry Seal wrote: | | BILBJH wrote: | Hachimura gives you slightly less production but maybe a little better shooting at a lower price than Kuzma.
The three 2nds just feels like an overpay again though.
Kuzma vs. Hachimura |
Definitely an over pay |
We had 7 2nd round picks available to trade including 2 in the upcoming draft. As we saw with Christie, you can always just buy a 2nd. Flipping 3 of them for a lottery talent who was #9 a few years ago and fills a desperate need is a good trade. |
He WAS a #9 draft pick. He has underachieved since. Maybe it works out but this is far from a “good trade”. |
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Reds622
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| This must close the door on any future Wizards trade prior the trade deadline, correct? Otherwise, my assumption would be that this deal would have been expanded. |
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Lakersfan1211
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| Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2023 10:01 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Lakers received 3 second round picks when they traded for Russ, if those are the 3 they send out for Rui then they basically traded KCP, Kuz, Montrezl, and 1st for Russ & Rui. |
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JeezyXVII
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| Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2023 10:01 am Post subject: |
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| BILBJH wrote: | | Barry Seal wrote: | | BILBJH wrote: | Hachimura gives you slightly less production but maybe a little better shooting at a lower price than Kuzma.
The three 2nds just feels like an overpay again though.
Kuzma vs. Hachimura |
Definitely an over pay |
I had high hopes for the kid when he came into the league but his numbers are lower than Kyle's.
I'll be rooting for him, and hope he blossoms in LA, but I was looking forward to what we could have done with the 38/39 picks next year. |
I think he will definitely benefit from the change on scenery and the fact he has Lebron and Russ dishing to him for more open looks. His jumper is nice. |
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mad55557777
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| Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2023 10:01 am Post subject: |
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| Snipes wrote: | | Why does Rob only trade with the Wiz and why do we always get fleeced? Lmak |
how did we got fleeced with this trade? we have 7 2nd round picks in the near future and 2 of them belong to the Wizards. |
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anth2000
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| mad55557777 wrote: | | Snipes wrote: | | Why does Rob only trade with the Wiz and why do we always get fleeced? Lmak |
how did we got fleeced with this trade? we have 7 2nd round picks in the near future and 2 of them belong to the Wizards. |
Exactly. I swear Laker fans think all trades should be we get a solid player for peanuts. It doesn't work that way.
From what I am reading, this is a Pelinka A trade. |
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Snipes
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| Halflife wrote: | | The overpay comments are funny. Though better of late Nunn does nothing. We have a bunch of 2nds. At worst we get longer. |
7 seconds mean a better chance at finding a gem or 2 late in the draft. Not every 2nd rounder is a bust especially when they are early 2nd round picks.
Also you’re forgetting you have to extend Rui now to make this worthwhile. Are we 100% certain we want to do that?
We just got a guy that doesn’t move the needle. Overpay or not it’s a meaningless trade Rob just orchestrated for fun with his fav organization again. |
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AFireInside619
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| Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2023 10:04 am Post subject: |
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| anth2000 wrote: | I think Laker fans think we should get good/decent players for peanuts.
That's not how it works, folks.
If this dude is better than good, then not giving up 1st rounders sounds good to me. I don't care if it's 3 2nd rounders... |
Exactly. Big W.
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| Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2023 10:04 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | The Lakers and Wizards are still finalizing the second-round picks in the deal, a conversation that's included a 2023 via Chicago and LA's own in 2029, sources tell ESPN. The Lakers have seven second-round picks available to include in a trade. |
wow this is a good deal |
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Reds622
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He’s long and has a flatter shot.
Seems athletic. Is he a poor defender? |
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