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Bron2AD
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| Hachimura can play the 3 instead of JTA...i am happy with this move |
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| Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2023 10:23 am Post subject: |
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| Snipes wrote: | | Dr. Laker wrote: | | Snipes wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | The overpay comments are funny. Though better of late Nunn does nothing. We have a bunch of 2nds. At worst we get longer. |
7 seconds mean a better chance at finding a gem or 2 late in the draft. Not every 2nd rounder is a bust especially when they are early 2nd round picks.
Also you’re forgetting you have to extend Rui now to make this worthwhile. Are we 100% certain we want to do that?
We just got a guy that doesn’t move the needle. Overpay or not it’s a meaningless trade Rob just orchestrated for fun with his fav organization again. |
You're just whining now. It was a low risk move for a guy who can play, plus it balances our roster better. |
Perhaps. Since I’m in the minority I guess we will wait and see. Hopefully he’s better and more impactful than the Rui I have seen over the last couple of years. Guy is hurt a lot and I’ve never seen him impact the game. He’s a diet Kuzma IMO.
Do ask yourself though: if he’s as good as people think he is or will be why are the Wiz trading him away for Nunn + 2 second rounders? |
He wouldn't sign an extension with them, so the Wiz are cutting their losses.
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mad55557777
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| Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2023 10:24 am Post subject: |
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| Dennis100mtrash wrote: | | Hachimura can play the 3 instead of JTA...i am happy with this move |
won't be an issue at all, he can play 3/4 with Lebron handling the other.
from his highlights, you can tell he is a good shooter, from mid range to 3 |
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| Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2023 10:24 am Post subject: |
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Nice!
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| Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2023 10:25 am Post subject: |
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| Excellent trade. |
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SoCal88
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| Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2023 10:25 am Post subject: |
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| anth2000 wrote: | | Snipes wrote: | | Why does Rob only trade with the Wiz and why do we always get fleeced? Lmak |
How did we get fleeced? Nunn sucks and 3 2nd rounds picks are mid-level value. I think the Lakers did great. |
The Lakers can't everything for free. I wish, though... 
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| Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2023 10:25 am Post subject: |
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Apparently The 2nd round picks are
2023 2nd round pick
2028 2nd round pick
2029 2nd round pick
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| Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2023 10:26 am Post subject: |
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| Snipes wrote: | | Dr. Laker wrote: | | Snipes wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | The overpay comments are funny. Though better of late Nunn does nothing. We have a bunch of 2nds. At worst we get longer. |
7 seconds mean a better chance at finding a gem or 2 late in the draft. Not every 2nd rounder is a bust especially when they are early 2nd round picks.
Also you’re forgetting you have to extend Rui now to make this worthwhile. Are we 100% certain we want to do that?
We just got a guy that doesn’t move the needle. Overpay or not it’s a meaningless trade Rob just orchestrated for fun with his fav organization again. |
You're just whining now. It was a low risk move for a guy who can play, plus it balances our roster better. |
Perhaps. Since I’m in the minority I guess we will wait and see. Hopefully he’s better and more impactful than the Rui I have seen over the last couple of years. Guy is hurt a lot and I’ve never seen him impact the game. He’s a diet Kuzma IMO.
Do ask yourself though: if he’s as good as people think he is or will be why are the Wiz trading him away for Nunn + 2 second rounders? |
It is 3 second rounders but we keep one of our good 2nd round picks this season so I'm less concerned.
Rui is a risk... but you have to take an upside risk if you want to keep your first round picks.
I don't like his defensive or rebounding numbers but he shoots well and has a decent NBA body.
It's mystifying to me why he can't at least play as well as Kuzma both ways but I'm hoping we can fix that.
We keep our first round pick one of our high second round picks... and give up two seconds that are five and six years away.
I don't know what better player we could get for Nunn and those picks so unless someone can answer that, I have to think we came up with a good compromise that helps LBJ without completely crippling our team's future.
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| Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2023 10:27 am Post subject: |
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| Just see Swider and Pip Jr as 2 of those picks if the 3 SRPs bother u |
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Seems like a nice swap, our roster makes a little more sense now overall
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| Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2023 10:28 am Post subject: |
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Cool, so 2 and a 3rd pick swap.
I'll take it.
Welcome to the Lakers Rui!
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| Snipes wrote: | | Dr. Laker wrote: | | Snipes wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | The overpay comments are funny. Though better of late Nunn does nothing. We have a bunch of 2nds. At worst we get longer. |
7 seconds mean a better chance at finding a gem or 2 late in the draft. Not every 2nd rounder is a bust especially when they are early 2nd round picks.
Also you’re forgetting you have to extend Rui now to make this worthwhile. Are we 100% certain we want to do that?
We just got a guy that doesn’t move the needle. Overpay or not it’s a meaningless trade Rob just orchestrated for fun with his fav organization again. |
You're just whining now. It was a low risk move for a guy who can play, plus it balances our roster better. |
Perhaps. Since I’m in the minority I guess we will wait and see. Hopefully he’s better and more impactful than the Rui I have seen over the last couple of years. Guy is hurt a lot and I’ve never seen him impact the game. He’s a diet Kuzma IMO.
Do ask yourself though: if he’s as good as people think he is or will be why are the Wiz trading him away for Nunn + 2 second rounders? |
nobody said he will be a super star or anything, but he brings the much needed size and shooting to this team. it is who we gave up compare to who we get. |
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mad55557777
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| Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2023 10:29 am Post subject: |
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| epic_ wrote: | Cool, so 2 and a 3rd pick swap.
I'll take it.
Welcome to the Lakers Rui! |
it is 3 2nd round picks. we own the wizards 2028 second pick |
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| epic_ wrote: | Cool, so 2 and a 3rd pick swap.
I'll take it.
Welcome to the Lakers Rui! |
It’s 3 picks bro, just the last one is the worse of 2 of our seconds that year |
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| governator wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | Quote: | | The Lakers traded for Hachimura with the intention of signing him to an extension this summer, sources tell ESPN. Hachimura can be a restricted free agent. |
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Vas, how much u think is left after that (assuming Jones will be moved)? |
Assuming he does not agree to just his starting annual being the QO amount of 8.5m…rather his extension is closer to the caphold amount of 18.8m…
I’m going to assume, the extension starts at 20m, but let’s say it’s 15m starting, then we’d have roughly 14m-18m in cap space depending on if Reaves hits starter criteria or not. But imho, Rui’s deal most likely starts at 20m per, in which case we have roughly 10m in cap space along with the 5.9m room MLE.
| Quote: | Projected 2023/24 Offseason Laker Cap Sheet on a 136m Salary Cap
1. Bron 47.6m
2. AD 40.6m
3. Rui 18.8m (RFA caphold)
4. Damien (player option) 2.6m
5. MaxC 1.7m
6. 2023 1st pick swap w/NO ~3m (based on pick falling between #20-30)
7. Reaves RFA QO (“starter criteria”* met) 6.3m
8-12. 5 incomplete roster (IR) charges 5.5m
= 126.1m in team salary
= 9.9m in cap space (if we renounce all our UFAs)
= 11.4m in cap space (if Damien opts out and is renounced as an UFA)
= 36.8m in cap space (if we purge everyone except for Bron & AD)
*to meet “starter criteria” Austin would have to start in at least 41 regular season games or play at least 2000 minutes in total during the regular season; if he does not meet “starter criteria”, his caphold shrinks to 2.1m and that gives back roughly 4.2m in cap space that can be used towards the numbers above (ie 14.1m in cap space w/Damien opt in & 15.6m in cap space with Damien player opt out)
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Bron2AD
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| Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2023 10:31 am Post subject: |
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its 28 and 29. too far.
who cares we can always buy 2nd rd picks or trade future 2nd to get a 2nd |
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| Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2023 10:32 am Post subject: |
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Good deal as it balances out roster, clears guard glut, adds a young-ish guy with maybe so untapped potential and will be hungry coming to LA, and we will have an opportunity to match this summer. I don't see why Rui cannot be an Oubre type/level for bench forward.
I have to believe Pelinka called about Beal and Kuz and walked away with Rui. Either way, it helps. |
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| vasashi17+ wrote: | | governator wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | Quote: | | The Lakers traded for Hachimura with the intention of signing him to an extension this summer, sources tell ESPN. Hachimura can be a restricted free agent. |
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Vas, how much u think is left after that (assuming Jones will be moved)? |
Assuming he does not agree to just his starting annual being the QO amount of 8.5m…rather his extension is closer to the caphold amount of 18.8m…
I’m going to assume, the extension starts at 20m, but let’s say it’s 15m starting, then we’d have roughly 14m-18m in cap space depending on if Reaves hits starter criteria or not. But imho, Rui’s deal most likely starts at 20m per, in which case we have roughly 10m in cap space along with the 5.9m room MLE.
| Quote: | Projected 2023/24 Offseason Laker Cap Sheet on a 136m Salary Cap
1. Bron 47.6m
2. AD 40.6m
3. Rui 18.8m (RFA caphold)
4. Damien (player option) 2.6m
5. MaxC 1.7m
6. 2023 1st pick swap w/NO ~3m (based on pick falling between #20-30)
7. Reaves RFA QO (“starter criteria”* met) 6.3m
8-12. 5 incomplete roster (IR) charges 5.5m
= 126.1m in team salary
= 9.9m in cap space (if we renounce all our UFAs)
= 11.4m in cap space (if Damien opts out and is renounced as an UFA)
= 36.8m in cap space (if we purge everyone except for Bron & AD)
*to meet “starter criteria” Austin would have to start in at least 41 regular season games or play at least 2000 minutes in total during the regular season; if he does not meet “starter criteria”, his caphold shrinks to 2.1m and that gives back roughly 4.2m in cap space that can be used towards the numbers above (ie 14.1m in cap space w/Damien opt in & 15.6m in cap space with Damien player opt out)
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i like Rui, but there is no way i am paying him 20 mil per year at his current state. |
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| Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2023 10:34 am Post subject: |
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| vasashi17+ wrote: | | governator wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | Quote: | | The Lakers traded for Hachimura with the intention of signing him to an extension this summer, sources tell ESPN. Hachimura can be a restricted free agent. |
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DS-Reaves-Rui-TB
Vas, how much u think is left after that (assuming Jones will be moved)? |
Assuming he does not agree to just his starting annual being the QO amount of 8.5m…rather his extension is closer to the caphold amount of 18.8m…
I’m going to assume, the extension starts at 20m, but let’s say it’s 15m starting, then we’d have roughly 14m-18m in cap space depending on if Reaves hits starter criteria or not. But imho, Rui’s deal most likely starts at 20m per, in which case we have roughly 10m in cap space along with the 5.9m room MLE.
| Quote: | Projected 2023/24 Offseason Laker Cap Sheet on a 136m Salary Cap
1. Bron 47.6m
2. AD 40.6m
3. Rui 18.8m (RFA caphold)
4. Damien (player option) 2.6m
5. MaxC 1.7m
6. 2023 1st pick swap w/NO ~3m (based on pick falling between #20-30)
7. Reaves RFA QO (“starter criteria”* met) 6.3m
8-12. 5 incomplete roster (IR) charges 5.5m
= 126.1m in team salary
= 9.9m in cap space (if we renounce all our UFAs)
= 11.4m in cap space (if Damien opts out and is renounced as an UFA)
= 36.8m in cap space (if we purge everyone except for Bron & AD)
*to meet “starter criteria” Austin would have to start in at least 41 regular season games or play at least 2000 minutes in total during the regular season; if he does not meet “starter criteria”, his caphold shrinks to 2.1m and that gives back roughly 4.2m in cap space that can be used towards the numbers above (ie 14.1m in cap space w/Damien opt in & 15.6m in cap space with Damien player opt out)
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This would be a wise time to trade Russ + picks to take on long term money and/or guys with bird rights so we don't end up with a similar roster as this season minus some key guys who we can't afford. |
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BILBJH
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| Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2023 10:34 am Post subject: |
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Yeah I don't see how Rui can get 20 million per.
I also think Rui will want to be on the West Coast and have the same attraction to Los Angeles that Japanese baseball players have (name recognition and shorter plane flight home)
I think we are in the driver's seat in terms of negotiation unless he starts averaging 20 points a game and gets us deep into the playoffs which is a good problem to have. |
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| Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2023 10:35 am Post subject: |
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So many posts calling this an "overpay" or even suggesting it's a fleecing, but at least one team (if not multiple) will trade a 2nd round pick for cash in every single NBA draft.
The 2023 Chicago 2RP will be a good one in the 30s or early 40s, but are we really going to complain over trading away the Lakers 2029 2RP and the less favorable of the Lakers/Wizards 2RP in 2028? The Lakers are getting back a 6' 8" 24-year-old who fills the Lakers' BIGGEST need. This improves the Lakers chances to win more games now, but also in the future. You must give something in every trade, and I don't think the Lakers gave up much. |
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| Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2023 10:37 am Post subject: |
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| The Wizards fans on Twitter seem to be upset and wondering how the Lakers got such a good deal. |
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| Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2023 10:38 am Post subject: |
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| epic_ wrote: | Cool, so 2 and a 3rd pick swap.
I'll take it.
Welcome to the Lakers Rui!
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| mad55557777 wrote: | | it is 3 2nd round picks. we own the wizards 2028 second pick |
| governator wrote: | | It’s 3 picks bro, just the last one is the worse of 2 of our seconds that year |
Ah, got it. thanks guy.
Welcome anyway, Rui! Haha.
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| Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2023 10:38 am Post subject: |
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| Nice player. GREAT for this year. I am not a fan of it long term as we gave up to much and he has us by the balls (in terms of resigning him). |
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