I understand what you mean with Worthy I just think it's not accurate. He played with the all time greatest playmaker, I don't think he would have necessarily gotten the same looks elsewhere. Remember that Worthys scoring and percentage both went down the first year Magic wasn't there. But hard to prove either way, I don't think he reaches Bernard King level for example, someone from near his timeline.
This is a bit of a rabbit trail, but for what it's worth, I agree with you. I was a fan of Worthy going all the way back to his UNC days, but my assessment is that he was a very good player who wound up in the perfect spot. There's nothing wrong with that. There are far more players who wind up in the wrong spots. Would Worthy have been a famous player if the Cleveland Cavaliers had kept that pick? I doubt it.
If Worthy had stayed on Cleveland, I think he'd be at the level of Terry Cummings, who was drafted right after him. Very good player, made a couple of all-star teams, pretty much forgotten.
agreed with other's sentiments. is curry really the best POINT GUARD of all time? or just one INSANE SHOOTER?
think about it just from the "dropping dimes"/court vision perspective only.
I'll flip the question a little. Is Curry the best PG of the current era? I would say clearly yes. If we compare different eras, we are also comparing different roles for PGs. If we look at Magic's era (late '70s to early '90s), PGs were putting up enormous assist numbers, but usually weren't big scorers. The top 18 single season APGs were all from that era: Stockton, Isiah, Magic, Kevin Porter, and Kevin Johnson. (#19 is Westbrook as a Wizard, if you're curious). All of those guys could score, but none of them were really known as scorers. (Well, maybe KJ.) This season, most of the top scorers in the league were PGs or combo guards like Mitchell.
So, it comes down to how you value the different abilities of a PG. Magic is the clear winner in this contest, at least for me. But then, Magic probably wouldn't be a traditional PG in the current era. _________________ Internet Argument Resolved
Also Magic was a much better rebounder than Curry. That's the benefit of being 6'9". _________________ Nobody in the NBA can touch the Laker brand, which, like the uniform color, is pure gold.
agreed with other's sentiments. is curry really the best POINT GUARD of all time? or just one INSANE SHOOTER?
think about it just from the "dropping dimes"/court vision perspective only.
I'll flip the question a little. Is Curry the best PG of the current era? I would say clearly yes. If we compare different eras, we are also comparing different roles for PGs. If we look at Magic's era (late '70s to early '90s), PGs were putting up enormous assist numbers, but usually weren't big scorers. The top 18 single season APGs were all from that era: Stockton, Isiah, Magic, Kevin Porter, and Kevin Johnson. (#19 is Westbrook as a Wizard, if you're curious). All of those guys could score, but none of them were really known as scorers. (Well, maybe KJ.) This season, most of the top scorers in the league were PGs or combo guards like Mitchell.
So, it comes down to how you value the different abilities of a PG. Magic is the clear winner in this contest, at least for me. But then, Magic probably wouldn't be a traditional PG in the current era.
I'm a bit surprised that Nash for example never broke 12apg (Westbrook as a Wizard was 11.5 or a bit more iirc). Stockton is the king of the apg seasons, him and then Magic _________________ 48 49 50 52 53 54 72 80 82
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Also Magic was a much better rebounder than Curry. That's the benefit of being 6'9".
Magic at 6'9 averaged 7 RPG in his career
Curry at 6'2 averages 5 RPG in his career
Curry for his size is a magnificent rebounder and is averaging 6 RPG this season.
Some make the argument that Magic was a solid rebounder because of his size, but we've seen people well over 7 feet tall that can't rebound worth a darn. Both Magic and Curry are fantastic rebounders.
I actually think Curry's 2017 Finals performance is one of the best but it gets overshadowed by Durant's ATG performance. Games 1-3 Curry put up 28.7/9.7/9 on 45% from the Field and 48% from three then he had a bad game 4 and a great game 5. Finishing up that Finals averaging 27/8/9.4 which considering his size is phenomenal. It just so happens Durant was having the series of his life so it's often overlooked. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk
No way do i believe Curry could play in magics era. Dont care how good he can shoot.
6'1 180 pound Isiah Thomas on one leg scoring 25 points in a quarter vs the Lakers
6'2 200 pound Steph Curry the greatest shooter of all time, playing in an era of no zone defense and having to 100% commit to a double team otherwise having to leave your guy in a 1 on 1 situation....
Those that think the the 200 pound 6'2 Steph Curry who also happens to be the greatest shooter of all time wouldn't be able to play in Magic's era where zone defense was illegal are lying to themselves. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk
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agreed with other's sentiments. is curry really the best POINT GUARD of all time? or just one INSANE SHOOTER?
think about it just from the "dropping dimes"/court vision perspective only.
I'll flip the question a little. Is Curry the best PG of the current era? I would say clearly yes. If we compare different eras, we are also comparing different roles for PGs. If we look at Magic's era (late '70s to early '90s), PGs were putting up enormous assist numbers, but usually weren't big scorers. The top 18 single season APGs were all from that era: Stockton, Isiah, Magic, Kevin Porter, and Kevin Johnson. (#19 is Westbrook as a Wizard, if you're curious). All of those guys could score, but none of them were really known as scorers. (Well, maybe KJ.) This season, most of the top scorers in the league were PGs or combo guards like Mitchell.
So, it comes down to how you value the different abilities of a PG. Magic is the clear winner in this contest, at least for me. But then, Magic probably wouldn't be a traditional PG in the current era.
Magic would probably be a point guard from the power forward position the same way Jokic is from the center position. _________________ KOBE
No doubt! The greatest finals performance of all time. _________________ Nobody in the NBA can touch the Laker brand, which, like the uniform color, is pure gold.
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MJST wrote:
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Also Magic was a much better rebounder than Curry. That's the benefit of being 6'9".
Magic at 6'9 averaged 7 RPG in his career
Curry at 6'2 averages 5 RPG in his career
Curry for his size is a magnificent rebounder and is averaging 6 RPG this season.
Some make the argument that Magic was a solid rebounder because of his size, but we've seen people well over 7 feet tall that can't rebound worth a darn. Both Magic and Curry are fantastic rebounders.
I actually think Curry's 2017 Finals performance is one of the best but it gets overshadowed by Durant's ATG performance. Games 1-3 Curry put up 28.7/9.7/9 on 45% from the Field and 48% from three then he had a bad game 4 and a great game 5. Finishing up that Finals averaging 27/8/9.4 which considering his size is phenomenal. It just so happens Durant was having the series of his life so it's often overlooked.
But Magic won a championship filling in at center for Kareem against the Sixers with a stat line of 42pts, 15rbs, and 7 asst.
Magic and Curry, two different players, two different eras, two different games, two GREAT players. Can't go wrong with either player leading your team!
For my money, Magic is the first player I would pick starting my "Hall of Fame" team over all other players. _________________ Let them HATE so long as they FEAR!
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No way do i believe Curry could play in magics era. Dont care how good he can shoot.
Curry could play in ANY era, just like the players back in the days could play in today's era.
The players back then didn't have the advanced training, diets, chartered planes, advanced medical staff, watered down league, touch fouls, flagrant fouls, often played three games in a row, etc..
Different eras, different game, but ballers will be ballers, anytime, any place, and any era. _________________ Let them HATE so long as they FEAR!
No way do i believe Curry could play in magics era. Dont care how good he can shoot.
Curry could play in ANY era, just like the players back in the days could play in today's era.
The players back then didn't have the advanced training, diets, chartered planes, advanced medical staff, watered down league, touch fouls, flagrant fouls, often played three games in a row, etc..
Different eras, different game, but ballers will be ballers, anytime, any place, and any era.
I can't imagine an era in NBA history where Curry wouldn't be a star. He would be as big or bigger than a lot of PGs of Magic's time -- Isiah Thomas, Maurice Cheeks, Norm Nixon, John Stockton. I'm actually baffled how anyone could think he wouldn't succeed.
Curry isn't really in the same ballpark as Magic _________________ LBJ + AD = More rings
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There's already chatter that if Curry beats LeBron again (making him 4-1 head-to-head against LeBron) and wins a 5th championship, Curry vs LeBron will become a discussion. At the very least it'll be an eyebrow-raising wrinkle in the narrative that Curry came into "LeBron's Era" and not only kept LeBron from winning more titles and cementing his unanimous GOAT status, won the head-to-head playoff matchup, won more rings and thus was the more important/impactful player of the two in this era.
There's already chatter that if Curry beats LeBron again (making him 4-1 head-to-head against LeBron) and wins a 5th championship, Curry vs LeBron will become a discussion.
So you're rooting for Golden State. Thanks for letting us know. _________________ Internet Argument Resolved
There's already chatter that if Curry beats LeBron again (making him 4-1 head-to-head against LeBron) and wins a 5th championship, Curry vs LeBron will become a discussion. At the very least it'll be an eyebrow-raising wrinkle in the narrative that Curry came into "LeBron's Era" and not only kept LeBron from winning more titles and cementing his unanimous GOAT status, won the head-to-head playoff matchup, won more rings and thus was the more important/impactful player of the two in this era.
There's already chatter that if Curry beats LeBron again (making him 4-1 head-to-head against LeBron) and wins a 5th championship, Curry vs LeBron will become a discussion. At the very least it'll be an eyebrow-raising wrinkle in the narrative that Curry came into "LeBron's Era" and not only kept LeBron from winning more titles and cementing his unanimous GOAT status, won the head-to-head playoff matchup, won more rings and thus was the more important/impactful player of the two in this era.
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