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| yinoma2001 wrote: | Magic is my favorite NBA player/athlete of all time.
So nothing will take him down for me. Yes, Curry is a gifted scorer, but Magic was the Showtime engine. If I had to start a team from scratch, there is no doubt that I take Magic over Curry. |
Well said. I feel the same way.
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| Posted: Mon May 01, 2023 7:08 am Post subject: |
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| governator wrote: | | Curry is ahead of KD but they’re in the same boat, outside on the top 10 table |
I think with 4 titles, you can argue that he’s in the Top 10, and beating the C’s in the finals, you can argue that he’s Top 5. |
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| Posted: Mon May 01, 2023 7:12 am Post subject: |
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| JUST-MING wrote: | | governator wrote: | | Curry is ahead of KD but they’re in the same boat, outside on the top 10 table |
I think with 4 titles, you can argue that he’s in the Top 10, and beating the C’s in the finals, you can argue that he’s Top 5. |
Top 5? Sheesh. I'd like to hear who you have in that rarified top 5 if Steph gets in.
I have Steph hovering around the 10-12 mark.
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^^^^
That's about where I'd put him at the moment.
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| Posted: Mon May 01, 2023 7:28 am Post subject: |
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| Aeneas Hunter wrote: | ^^^^
That's about where I'd put him at the moment. |
Wow. With room to improve. That's mount rushmore territory.
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| Posted: Mon May 01, 2023 7:30 am Post subject: |
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Steph is great, no doubt. All-time great, yes.
I feel Magic is at a different level altogether.
I feel like over time, the older greats as starting to be replaced with the newer generation of players.
Not so fast on Magic...
8 finals appearances in his 11 year career. That's nuts.
5 NBA titles, 3 NBA Finals MVPs
3 regular season MVPs
9x All-NBA First team
His 42 points, 15 rebounds, 7 assists playing all 5 positions in game 6 against the tough Dr. J, Dawkins, Jones x2, Cheeks, team, is legendary.
So, let's put on the brakes before we push Magic aside.
Magic is Mt. Rushmore, Steph is not....sorry. |
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| 32 wrote: | | Aeneas Hunter wrote: | ^^^^
That's about where I'd put him at the moment. |
Wow. With room to improve. That's almost mount rushmore. |
The thing with Mount Rushmore is every step you take closer to the top becomes steeper and steeper and steeper |
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| 32 wrote: | | Aeneas Hunter wrote: | ^^^^
That's about where I'd put him at the moment. |
Wow. With room to improve. That's mount rushmore territory. |
At least for me, there isn't much room to improve. He's 35. Another title would be relevant, but only the hardcore "Ringz" faction would see much difference between four and five when it comes to player rankings. He isn't particularly close to any of the major career milestones. I expect that he'll settle into the mushy second tier of all-time greats for most people. Some people will rate him higher, and some will rate him lower.
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| Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | 32 wrote: | | Aeneas Hunter wrote: | ^^^^
That's about where I'd put him at the moment. |
Wow. With room to improve. That's mount rushmore territory. |
At least for me, there isn't much room to improve. He's 35. Another title would be relevant, but only the hardcore "Ringz" faction would see much difference between four and five when it comes to player rankings. He isn't particularly close to any of the major career milestones. I expect that he'll settle into the mushy second tier of all-time greats for most people. Some people will rate him higher, and some will rate him lower. |
And fair or not, many will discredit 2 of those rings with KD thanks to a historic cap spike in 2016, which added another top 12-15 all time player in KD on top of a 73 regular season win team.
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Their roles are so different that a comparison is impossible
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Different eras, different players. Magic is one of the GOATs, despite a shortened career. Curry is well on his way.
Magic was one year removed from playing with Shaq and Kobe. Now that would have been something crazy. |
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Agree. Different eras.
One saved the league. The other ruined the game 
Recency bias, and f Curry and his non-defense loving Steph only fans.
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| Vancouver Fan wrote: | | Curry is a combo guard. Magic is a true PG. |
Magic played SG next to Norm Nixon, but i guess he played any position at some point
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| GOODRICH25 wrote: | | Vancouver Fan wrote: | | Curry is a combo guard. Magic is a true PG. |
Magic played SG next to Norm Nixon, but i guess he played any position at some point |
Magic played PF next to Nick Van Exel and Eddie Jones.
(Magic actually played every position during his rookie season  .) |
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Magic > Steph, who id put as the 2nd best PG ever, ahead of Isiah.
Magic came in the league and won straight away, and had success throughout. He had a short(er) career but what he did in those 12 years is incredible. In my book, hes 2nd to Jordan
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| anth2000 wrote: | Steph is great, no doubt. All-time great, yes.
I feel Magic is at a different level altogether.
I feel like over time, the older greats as starting to be replaced with the newer generation of players.
Not so fast on Magic...
8 finals appearances in his 11 year career. That's nuts.
5 NBA titles, 3 NBA Finals MVPs
3 regular season MVPs
9x All-NBA First team
His 42 points, 15 rebounds, 7 assists playing all 5 positions in game 6 against the tough Dr. J, Dawkins, Jones x2, Cheeks, team, is legendary.
So, let's put on the brakes before we push Magic aside.
Magic is Mt. Rushmore, Steph is not....sorry. |
9 Finals in 12 seasons, winning 5. He missed the Finals 3 times only, insane
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | And fair or not, many will discredit 2 of those rings with KD thanks to a historic cap spike in 2016, which added another top 12-15 all time player in KD on top of a 73 regular season win team. |
That sort of argument has an audience in the Ringz crowd. Let's subtract three titles from Kobe because he had Shaq, let's subtract Hakeem's titles because Jordan was retired, let's subtract Lebron's titles because he had a losing record in the Finals and got one of his titles in the bubble, yada yada yada.
I don't think that those kinds of arguments have much traction with the larger NBA audience. The context of a player's career is always relevant, but most people seem inclined to look at the total package. However, as I've commented a few times recently, I'm not sure how much of a consensus there is about any of these things.
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Serious question:
How many years out of his on-going career was he the best guard in the league? Which years?
Same for Magic.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | JUST-MING wrote: | | governator wrote: | | Curry is ahead of KD but they’re in the same boat, outside on the top 10 table |
I think with 4 titles, you can argue that he’s in the Top 10, and beating the C’s in the finals, you can argue that he’s Top 5. |
Top 5? Sheesh. I'd like to hear who you have in that rarified top 5 if Steph gets in.
I have Steph hovering around the 10-12 mark. |
Yup.
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| epic_ wrote: | Serious question:
How many years out of his on-going career was he the best guard in the league? Which years?
Same for Magic. |
Is James 2020 a guard?
Curry was the best in 2015 and 2016, id say Harden was better in 2017 and 2018, in recent years Doncic. So he wasnt the best guard in the league for majority of his career
Magic had prime Jordan from 1987 onwards, but before that id say he was
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| I think his '16 Finals performance unfairly soured my opinion of him in the context of all time greats for a while, but when considering the all time greats, he's in that conversation. I said it elsewhere but I like to say he had a 10/10 career. Maybe Jordan's at 9.9 and Curry's at 9.5 but it's more fun to be less granular. That was I can appreciate his 50 point G7 performance instead of being like "wow are people gonna rank him better than Kobe" or something dumb like that |
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| epic_ wrote: | Serious question:
How many years out of his on-going career was he the best guard in the league? Which years?
Same for Magic. |
From 2014 to present, Curry was all-NBA in every season except for the year he played only five games due to injury. He was first-team all-NBA four times. We can argue about what "best" means, and we can include shooting guards, but I think that this is the most supportable answer.
One of the blemishes on Curry's resume is that he missed a lot of games after the 2017 season. He would probably have more first-team spots otherwise, but we'll never know for sure. Magic played more games in the regular season and in the playoffs than Curry (to date) even though his career was cut short.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | Magic is my favorite NBA player/athlete of all time.
So nothing will take him down for me. Yes, Curry is a gifted scorer, but Magic was the Showtime engine. If I had to start a team from scratch, there is no doubt that I take Magic over Curry. |
THIS. 100x's over. Nobody in the leagues history ever had a greater impact at making other players better like Magic. He BROKE the curse as well. |
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it's not super complicated as to how teams would use Magic if he played today. The answer is right in front of you... And is still a current Laker. Lebron!
Prime magic would be a point forward just like LBJ. Yeah, I doubt any team would plan on using magic today at the point guard position... But it's not the first time people have referred to lebron as Magic 2.0
| Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | Put Steph in the 1980s and no coach will let him do what's he's doing today.  I think Magic would still flourish in today's NBA. |
Flourish? Probably. He wouldn't have the same transformational impact today. He'd be sort of a rich man's Ben Simmons. He'd be a better passer, a better scorer, much more of a gamer/winner, but not as good of a defender. At the end of his career, he actually became a respectable three point shooter by the standards of the time. Back in the '80s, he was a physical freak in a way that tends to get lost in the mists of time. Other teams figured out quickly that you just couldn't defend him with the point guards of the time. This led to a lot of changes in strategy and tactics, as coaches slowly accepted that a player of that size could actually function as a ballhandler. His impact on the game is why Curry will never pass him in my assessment. |
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| epic_ wrote: | Agree. Different eras.
One saved the league. The other ruined the game
Recency bias, and f Curry and his non-defense loving Steph only fans. |
Biggest misconception about Steph is that he doesn't play defense.
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