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Posted: Mon May 01, 2023 6:08 pm Post subject:

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Jordan 1986-87 to 1992-93, then 1995-96 to 1997-98. Technically not 10 straight but he didnt play those 2 years. The years he was eligible he was always top 3. 1985-86 he was injured and his rookie year he finished 5th

I thought of Jordan, but he didn't fit the criteria. He missed one full year for baseball, and then came back the second year, in 94-95, when he played 17 games (and he would have been eligible for any honors that year). If you are going to give guys a pass for years they were injured a good chunk of the season or sat out, he would have 10 in a row.

Does the 17 games count though? I mean if he was there but out injured, missed games, I'd say sure. But he was away from the sport. If he played the whole year, he probably sneaks into the top 3 that year too

Like I said, depends on your criteria.

If you want to give players a pass for season they missed entirely or seasons where they missed a good chunk of games, Jordan makes it.

If you want to keep it pure and say they either did it or didn't do and the reason they didn't do it doesn't matter, Jordan is out.

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Posted: Mon May 01, 2023 6:14 pm Post subject:

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Serious question:

How many years out of his on-going career was he the best guard in the league? Which years?

Same for Magic.

Curry's been the best guard in the league for 10 years
Magic was the best guard in the league for 12 years

Magic had 9 straight years where he was top 3 every year in MVP voting. I don't think anyone in NBA history has matched or beat that. He was also first-team all-NBA each of those years. During that span, I doubt anyone would disagree he was the best point guard in the league each of those 9 years.

From 2014 to 2022, Curry was the best point guard in the league during that overall period. But there were several times in that span where Curry wasn't regarded as the best or even second best point guard in specific years.

I agree with this.
What Steph has on Magic is the longevity.
So sad that Magic had to have his career cut short.

Anyway. Steph can have his place in the top 20 all time.
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Posted: Mon May 01, 2023 6:21 pm Post subject:

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I was curious, LeBron "only" did it for 8 years. 2008-2016. 06-07 he got 5th (2nd in 05-06). 16-17 he got 4th (2nd 17-18).

I think Bird is another guy who was top 3 in MVP voting for 8 years in a row.

If you make it top 5 in MVP voting, I think Lebron had 13 years in a row. Not sure if anyone beats that. Kareem had 12 years in a row in the top 5.

If you go to 8 years, add Russell. If you expand to top 4, he's got 11
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An interesting thing about Russell is he had years where he won the MVP award, but was on the all-NBA team second team while Wilt was on the all-NBA first team. I think people saw the all-NBA team as an individual honor, and the MVP as more of a team honor. I believe Russell is the only MVP who didn't make all-NBA first team.

There have been several years where the DPoY wasn't on the first all-D team, but that may reflect that the two awards had different groups of voters.

I think the thing with Russell MVP vs All-NBA is, the MVP was voted by players prior to (I think) 1980. While the All-NBA was always journalists.
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Posted: Mon May 01, 2023 7:05 pm Post subject:

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I think the thing with Russell MVP vs All-NBA is, the MVP was voted by players prior to (I think) 1980. While the All-NBA was always journalists.

That makes sense. Different groups of voters coming to slightly different results.

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Posted: Mon May 01, 2023 7:08 pm Post subject:

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Anyone that actually knew basketball saw Curry as the best. ESPN only threw Kyrie and Lillard out there as hot takes.

The same way they used to throw Clyde Drexler out there for Jordan and Isaiah Thomas and John Stockton out there for Magic.

I wasn't thinking of Kyrie and Lillard.

The guys who were superior than Curry some of those years were Luke Doncic, Chris Paul, and Harden.

The people that Curry constantly beat in the Playoffs? Neither Harden nor CP3 nor Doncic was better than Curry and he made all the pundits look like idiots last year for the hot takes.
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Posted: Mon May 01, 2023 7:24 pm Post subject:

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I wasn't thinking of Kyrie and Lillard.

The guys who were superior than Curry some of those years were Luke Doncic, Chris Paul, and Harden.

The people that Curry constantly beat in the Playoffs? Neither Harden nor CP3 nor Doncic was better than Curry and he made all the pundits look like idiots last year for the hot takes.

Remember we are talking about individual years. If beating someone in the playoffs is your criteria, Curry was beaten in the playoff during this span by teams with Chris Paul and Kyrie Irving. And one year during this span, he didn't make the playoffs while Doncic, Harden and Paul did.

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Posted: Mon May 01, 2023 7:41 pm Post subject:

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I wasn't thinking of Kyrie and Lillard.

The guys who were superior than Curry some of those years were Luke Doncic, Chris Paul, and Harden.

The people that Curry constantly beat in the Playoffs? Neither Harden nor CP3 nor Doncic was better than Curry and he made all the pundits look like idiots last year for the hot takes.

From 2014-2023 he's only lost to Kyrie and LeBron once and the other time was to Kawhi. And yes Curry during that 10 year span consistently beat Lillard, Harden, LeBron, AD, CP3 in the Playoffs.

There's a reason Curry has an 85% Playoff series percentage(which is higher than Jordan, LeBron, Kobe, Kareem, etc).

Everyone's ready to count him out, and then he wins and people go "yeah but 11 years ago...". That speaks volumes in all honesty. And whenever Doncic, Harden and Paul matched up against Curry during the last decade, they lost.

Magic's rival in reality wasn't really another guard, it was Larry Bird. In much the same way that Curry's rival in reality isn't another guard, it's LeBron James.
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Posted: Mon May 01, 2023 8:09 pm Post subject:

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I wasn't thinking of Kyrie and Lillard.

The guys who were superior than Curry some of those years were Luke Doncic, Chris Paul, and Harden.

The people that Curry constantly beat in the Playoffs? Neither Harden nor CP3 nor Doncic was better than Curry and he made all the pundits look like idiots last year for the hot takes.

When the Warriors made those 5 straight Finals, Curry's teammates made 7 All NBA teams (not counting himself), also 7 All Defensive team selectios in the same timespan. Harden had 0 All NBA teammates in the same time span, and one (Beverley in 2017) All Defensive teammate. Doncic is yet to have a teammate make a all NBA team or a all Defensive team.

Winning is a team game and as great as Curry is, he had/has a stacked team around him. More so than Harden had or Doncic has now
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Posted: Mon May 01, 2023 8:23 pm Post subject:

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Yes, that's important point. When we say, Player A never beat Player B, we really mean Player's A team never beat Player B's teams.

You can be the best player on the court, and your team can still lose to a superior team despite your excellent play.

Like that one year Jerry West won the Finals MVP despite losing to Boston.
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Posted: Mon May 01, 2023 8:29 pm Post subject:

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Yes, that's an important point. When we say, Player A never beat Player B, we really mean Player's A team never beat Player B's teams.

You can be the best player on the court, and your team can still lose to a superior team despite your excellent play.

And without question, Curry has played on some of the most stacked teams in NBA history. In fact, one of the knocks against Curry is that while he's won 4 rings, he's only won a single Finals MVP. That speaks to the high level of teammates he's had.

That doesn't negate Curry's accomplishments. But it's silly to say that Curry is better than Doncic simply because the Warriors were better than the Mavericks, as if Doncic and Curry are 100% responsible for their team's success or failure.

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Posted: Mon May 01, 2023 8:30 pm Post subject:

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I wasn't thinking of Kyrie and Lillard.

The guys who were superior than Curry some of those years were Luke Doncic, Chris Paul, and Harden.

The people that Curry constantly beat in the Playoffs? Neither Harden nor CP3 nor Doncic was better than Curry and he made all the pundits look like idiots last year for the hot takes.

And Magic was drafted to a team with Kareem and Jamaal Wilkes which was a consistent Semifinals Team that then went on to draft James Worthy. That doesn't take away from Magic doing what he did.

The situation Magic fell into with modern equivalency would be if LeBron James was drafted by the 2003 Lakers and then a few seasons later in the 2005 Draft the Lakers drafted Chris Paul. It doesn't take away from his greatness nor what he could do to take a team over the top.

Curry won the Finals last year without anyone but him making the All-NBA Team, went up against Tatum(all NBA First Team), Luka(all-NBA First Team), Jokic(All-NBA First Team)(NBA MVP) to win the Championship last year.

Then in the finals, went up against the best Defensive team in the League and the DPOY at his position and won while dropping 31/6/5 on 48% from the field and 43% from three. While his 2nd best player on the team(Klay) was coming off an Achillies Injury and averaging 17 points on 35% from the field in the Finals. There's a reason nobody picked the Warriors to win another title, but when they did it goes back to "yeah but..." after getting proven wrong again.

It's time to give the man his flowers and admit his greatness instead of trying to nitpick which you can do with any legacy.

Curry is Top 10 All-Time. He's top 12 at minimum. What he put together last off-season with the team he had destroyed every single argument people had against him. So there's little point in reaching it.
Then when everyone was saying how the Kings were going to beat the Warriors in Game 7, he went and had the highest scoring Game 7 in NBA history on the road and won despite his team being horrible on the road all year.

Curry's up there and he deserves it.
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Posted: Mon May 01, 2023 8:57 pm Post subject:

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I wasn't thinking of Kyrie and Lillard.

The guys who were superior than Curry some of those years were Luke Doncic, Chris Paul, and Harden.

The people that Curry constantly beat in the Playoffs? Neither Harden nor CP3 nor Doncic was better than Curry and he made all the pundits look like idiots last year for the hot takes.

No that's not the equivalent, because the Lakers were already a 3 time champ when James was drafted, with 2 top10 all time talents in their prime on the team. The equivalent would be if James was drafted on a team with another top10 talent who is over 30 already, who last won a chip a decade ago, and who didn't make it even to the Finals with his current team in 5 tries. Then James goes on to make it to 9 finals in 12 years with that team. You can't find a accurate enough equivalent in 2003

Curry last season had Green with all Defense tho. And Klay, Poole, Wiggins is a lot better than what Doncic had, or what Jokic had. And I'm not trying to take away from his accomplishment, it was a fantastic season. But current Doncic is the best guard in the league. Same as Harden was in 2018 or 2017. It doesn't mean Curry wasn't great, just that there was someone better than him at the same time

Same as Magic was 2nd best after Jordan came back from his injury. Magic still won rings, was amazing, but winning and being a frontrunner at that doesn't necessarily mean you're the best player in the league (or at your position) at that time
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Posted: Mon May 01, 2023 9:24 pm Post subject:

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Curry won the Finals last year without anyone but him making the All-NBA Team, went up against Tatum(all NBA First Team), Luka(all-NBA First Team), Jokic(All-NBA First Team)(NBA MVP) to win the Championship last year.

Tatum, Luka, and Jokic didn't have any teammates who made the all-NBA team that year either.

But that doesn't tell us anything about the overall quality of teammates each of them had.

I mean, if you're going by awards, Curry had two teammates who were on the all-star team with him last year, while Luke, Jokic, and Tatum had no teammates who made the all-star team last year.

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Curry is Top 10 All-Time. He's top 12 at minimum. .

I don't think anyone's arguing against the idea that Curry is in the top 12.

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Top 15. Nothing more than that. He is a great pkayer who is a beneficiary of great circumstance.

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Posted: Mon May 01, 2023 10:43 pm Post subject:

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The equivalent would be if James was drafted on a team with another top10 talent who is over 30 already, who last won a chip a decade ago, and who didn't make it even to the Finals with his current team in 5 tries. Then James goes on to make it to 9 finals in 12 years with that team. You can't find a accurate enough equivalent in 2003

Magic got drafted to a team that had the GOAT Center. Anyway modern equivalent in 2003 is if LeBron James was drafted by the Nets whom two seasons later drafted Chris Paul. There you go. Difference is, LeBron wouldn't have been drafted to a team that had an arguable GOAT at either position. Magic was drafted to the team that had the arguable GOAT at center. That is what it is. You are correct though, there'd not be an accurate enough equivalent of getting drafted to a team that has the greatest center of all time and then two years later drafting the 2nd or 3rd best Small Forward of all time. That is exclusive only to Magic.

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Curry last season had Green with all Defense tho.

IF we're including defense than the Grizzlies had All-NBA First Team Jaren Jackson. The Celtics had All-NBA Defensive First Marcus Smart AND All Defensive Second Robert Williams on their team too, AND the DPOY in Marcus Smart himself. And Curry beat them on insane efficiency. So yeah.

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And Klay, Poole, Wiggins is a lot better than what Doncic had, or what Jokic had.

So what? The 2002 Lakers had a better team than Jason Kidd had. But we don't take credit away. Luka also already proved competent enough to destroy a PHX Suns team that had All-Defensive Team Bridges and All-NBA First Team Devin Booker and All-NBA Third Team Chris Paul. But when the Warriors beat him suddenly it's time to take credit away? Luka also had Jalen Brunson whom the Mavericks missed a heck of a lot this year and the Knicks strongly benefited from as he's proven himself to be an all-star talent that got overlooked despite the fact he put up 27.8 PPG the series prior to the Suns series. Know what Jalen Brunson averaged in the two series prior to facing the Warriors? 22/4/3. Luka had "enough" to make the Western Conference Finals and destroy the Suns in Game 7 at their home.

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And I'm not trying to take away from his accomplishment, it was a fantastic season. But current Doncic is the best guard in the league.

No he is not. He could be, one day. But he isn't right now. Curry is still better than him. Doncic would have to actually become a good defender before he's better than Steph.

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Same as Magic was 2nd best after Jordan came back from his injury. Magic still won rings, was amazing, but winning and being a frontrunner at that doesn't necessarily mean you're the best player in the league (or at your position) at that time

Yeah and Luka's no Jordan and Curry's already disproven the "frontrunner" criticism. If you want to be completely honest if you were throwing "frontrunner" around, it'd be more relevant to Luka than Curry, if we're comparing the two as his team went from a top seed to out of the Playoffs and finished the season going 5-14 on his watch.

There's really not much else ammo people got left for Curry, so they try to rehash old stuff he's already disproven. This era has been Curry and LeBron's, like the 80s was Magic and Bird's. And one of them getting their 5th before the other(particularly because they'd have to go through the other again) cements it in the history books for good.
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Posted: Mon May 01, 2023 11:02 pm Post subject:

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Curry last season had Green with all Defense tho.

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And Klay, Poole, Wiggins is a lot better than what Doncic had, or what Jokic had.

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And I'm not trying to take away from his accomplishment, it was a fantastic season. But current Doncic is the best guard in the league.

No he is not. He could be, one day. But he isn't right now. Curry is still better than him. Doncic would have to actually become a good defender before he's better than Steph.

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Yeah and Luka's no Jordan and Curry's already disproven the "frontrunner" criticism. If you want to be completely honest if you were throwing "frontrunner" around, it'd be more relevant to Luka than Curry, if we're comparing the two.

There's really not much else ammo people got left for Curry, so they try to rehash old stuff he's already disproven. This era has been Curry and LeBron's, like the 80s was Magic and Bird's. And one of them getting their 5th before the other(particularly because they'd have to go through the other again) cements it in the history books for good.

GOAT center at the age of what? He never finished ahead of Magic in MVP voting or in All NBA in any season post 1982. You don't have a equivalent in 2003, unless you could somehow age up Duncan and move him to a different team. Worthy was never all NBA 2nd team during Magics time there, not sure how CP3 is a equivalent to him. You can't seriously be suggesting Worthy is the 2nd or 3rd best SF ever, can you?

So if having a better team matters not, how can you have Curry as the best guard in the league, while he's out of the playoffs? Are you arguing Brunson is as good a supporting cast as Klay, Poole, Wiggins? Are you confident if the teams are swapped, Curry wins the series anyway?

Steph is a good defender now?

I don't think you're arguing the point here even, you're too caught up in names and legacy. Yeah Doncic is not Jordan, we know. He has to be Jordan to be the best guard in the league? He has to win 4 rings before we can claim he's better than Curry? Come on. Curry wasn't the best guard in the league for a while now. Not because, I'll repeat, not because he isn't great and amazing, but because other players emerged who had been better at different stretches. First Harden then Doncic. It's that simple. And how has Curry disproven the frontrunner argument? Has he won as the 2nd/3rd best player on his team last year that I'm unaware of?
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Posted: Tue May 02, 2023 1:16 am Post subject:

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Curry last season had Green with all Defense tho.

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And Klay, Poole, Wiggins is a lot better than what Doncic had, or what Jokic had.

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And I'm not trying to take away from his accomplishment, it was a fantastic season. But current Doncic is the best guard in the league.

No he is not. He could be, one day. But he isn't right now. Curry is still better than him. Doncic would have to actually become a good defender before he's better than Steph.

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Yeah and Luka's no Jordan and Curry's already disproven the "frontrunner" criticism. If you want to be completely honest if you were throwing "frontrunner" around, it'd be more relevant to Luka than Curry, if we're comparing the two.

There's really not much else ammo people got left for Curry, so they try to rehash old stuff he's already disproven. This era has been Curry and LeBron's, like the 80s was Magic and Bird's. And one of them getting their 5th before the other(particularly because they'd have to go through the other again) cements it in the history books for good.

He actually used defense in a way to defend Curry.. There's a first time for everything I guess

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I've always felt in terms of his talent, skill and ability that Worthy was a top 5-8 SF of all time. But he sacrificed his stats by nature of the team he was on and drafted to. It's the same kind of situation where I feel if Klay Thompson wasn't on the Warriors with Steph Curry he'd have been on a team putting up 27-30 PPG and in argument for the best SG in the league, especially as a two-way defender and scorer.

During that mid-80s run when Big Game James prime was going on, he was one of 3 Lakers averaging 20. Magic, Kareem, and Worthy were all averaging around 20 PPG. If Worthy was on any other team he'd have been putting up numbers akin to what Iceman was. This was one of the reasons the Lakers were as dominant as they were, they had a guy as their second/third option that could go off for 35 on any given night when they needed him to. I don't think that Big Game James gets a lot of the credit he deserves by the fact he was drafted to a team that was stacked as the Lakers were.

Modern Equivalent of that would have been if the Lakers had traded for T-Mac the way Jerry West wanted them to, to pair with Kobe and Shaq. T-Mac would have likely not averaged 27-35 throughout his career but he'd have definitely been at that level of player had he been put on a team he had to lead. I hope you understand the point I'm making when it comes to BGJ.

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Steph is a good defender now?

Yes. He's always been a very underrated defender, particularly by the "his game is so one dimensional" crowd. But yes the guy that averaged 1.8 steals a game his first decade in the NBA, held a defensive rating only 0.5 less than Marcus Smart despite Draymond missing nearly 40 games last season and added strength in order to make himself a stronger defender is a better defender than people like to give him credit for.

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So if having a better team matters not, how can you have Curry as the best guard in the league, while he's out of the playoffs? Are you arguing Brunson is as good a supporting cast as Klay, Poole, Wiggins? Are you confident if the teams are swapped, Curry wins the series anyway?

Yeah Doncic is not Jordan, we know. He has to be Jordan to be the best guard in the league? He has to win 4 rings before we can claim he's better than Curry? Come on. Curry wasn't the best guard in the league for a while now. Not because, I'll repeat, not because he isn't great and amazing, but because other players emerged who had been better at different stretches. First Harden then Doncic. It's that simple. And how has Curry disproven the frontrunner argument? Has he won as the 2nd/3rd best player on his team last year that I'm unaware of?

The point is you don't take credit away from teams that have better players on them. There have been teams that have had greater players and still gotten beat. There's been teams that have had more talent than another team and still got beat.

The fact of the matter is if you make it to the Western Conference Finals, the "they don't have anyone" argument means nothing. If you beat every other team to get there, you deserve to be there. Was Luka's supporting cast better than The Warriors? Nope. Has Luka proven that if he had another all-star next to him that he could carry them to the Finals like Curry did? No he has not. He did get Kyrie Irving, and his team went 5-14 in the last 19 games he played during the season, falling completely out of the Playoffs in the process.

But let's put an end to the debate on this point. Steph carried a Warriors team to the Finals in 2015 with one all-star next to him in Klay Thompson and HIS all-star selection only happened as a coaches choice because Blake Griffin was injured. Let me know when Luka does the same, then we'll talk about if he's better than Steph. Even what Jimmy Butler's done, especially as a two way star is more impressive than anything Luka's accomplished in his career thus far.
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Posted: Tue May 02, 2023 3:15 am Post subject:

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Steph is a good defender now?

It has always baffled me that people seem convinced that Curry is a bad defender. He was never all-defense level or anything like that, and his defense has slipped with age as it does with most players. But for most of his career, Curry was a solid defender. Even now at age 35, the metrics rate him as a neutral defender.

Doncic is similar, in that he is not a terrible defender despite what people seem to think. However, at comparable points in their career arc, Curry rates as a much better defender.
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Posted: Tue May 02, 2023 5:47 am Post subject:

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Steph is a good defender now?

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I understand what you mean with Worthy I just think it's not accurate. He played with the all time greatest playmaker, I don't think he would have necessarily gotten the same looks elsewhere. Remember that Worthys scoring and percentage both went down the first year Magic wasn't there. But hard to prove either way, I don't think he reaches Bernard King level for example, someone from near his timeline.

Better than people giving credit for =/= good defender. He's still the weakest link on the floor most of the time for his team

It's not they don't have anyone, it's the others have more someone's. Before the series you though Dallas has a shot? The Warriors were.just better than anyone last season and yes, a big part of that is indeed Curry, just not the only. His team.got Kyrie and has given up a lot of depth for it, even Kyrie said way before they were out that this was a trade for later. Can't judge it on a 20 game sample size, come on. Especially not evaluate Doncic based on it.

Again you're missing the point. What Steph did in 2015 isn't relevant in discussing who was the best guard last 5 years. Doncic is 2nd all time in playoffs scoring per game only behind Jordan, and he is top 15 in assists per game. Same as all the other stars, when he's given a team built to his strengths with enough quality around him, he's gonna carry them further as.well. and again, Curry didn't make the playoffs in 2021 either, (gonna cut him slack in 2020 he was out) so you can't punish Doncic for something the other one has done as well, after he was put in such situation. But you see, the season after they got Klay back, Wiggins stepped up a level, Poole as well, and suddenly that team is a champion. Funny how that works huh?
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Steph is a good defender now?

Well I wouldn't say either is terrible personally. But defense is not something I'd bring up as an argument for either against another player
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Posted: Tue May 02, 2023 8:32 am Post subject:

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Top 15. Nothing more than that. He is a great pkayer who is a beneficiary of great circumstance.

Steph beat Lebron’s superteams in the finals 3 times, then beat the C’s in the finals last year. I don’t know, maybe he deserves more credit? The only knock I'm reading is “Lebron was the best player on the floor” in the finals series he lost from crying babies.

Did he change the game? Yes.
Did he change the culture? Maybe. (How do you feel about the celebrations? “Light the beam”)

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Posted: Tue May 02, 2023 8:43 am Post subject:

JUST-MING wrote:

strong9 wrote:

Top 15. Nothing more than that. He is a great pkayer who is a beneficiary of great circumstance.

2018 was not a superteam though and 2015 was without Kyrie and Love. Also I don't consider the Celtics a standard for Steph to measure up to, they weren't/aren't a all time great team
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Posted: Tue May 02, 2023 8:48 am Post subject:

i dont want to hear it All i hear is “waaa waaa waaa”

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GOODRICH25 wrote:

This is a bit of a rabbit trail, but for what it's worth, I agree with you. I was a fan of Worthy going all the way back to his UNC days, but my assessment is that he was a very good player who wound up in the perfect spot. There's nothing wrong with that. There are far more players who wind up in the wrong spots. Would Worthy have been a famous player if the Cleveland Cavaliers had kept that pick? I doubt it.
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