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Once again he rot on the bench of Washington. Thats the thing..they dont have to move him. They have no pressure of him walking away.
1. The trade was unfavorable to them
2. He cant walk away
3. you can continue accumulating picks and cash regardless
4. You still fill out sales as he still your star
5. You trade everyone not gauranteed for picks and cash if you like..he will be
playing with last year's Houston rockets players..all new young youth..no
vets..until he decides to actually meet half way on his demands
6. Number 5 works..see Kobe going to pluto to play. |
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Once again he rot on the bench of Washington. Thats the thing..they dont have to move him. They have no pressure of him walking away.
1. The trade was unfavorable to them
2. He cant walk away
3. you can continue accumulating picks and cash regardless
4. You still fill out sales as he still your star
5. You trade everyone not gauranteed for picks and cash if you like..he will be
playing with last year's Houston rockets players..all new young youth..no
vets..until he decides to actually meet half way on his demands
6. Number 5 works..see Kobe going to pluto to play. |
they got out of a huge contract. They will end the season the same way without him as they would with. Obviously you want assets. but getting rid of 200m is something. Rock bottom is the trampoline
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JustaObserver
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| Halflife wrote: | | JustaObserver wrote: |
Once again he rot on the bench of Washington. Thats the thing..they dont have to move him. They have no pressure of him walking away.
1. The trade was unfavorable to them
2. He cant walk away
3. you can continue accumulating picks and cash regardless
4. You still fill out sales as he still your star
5. You trade everyone not gauranteed for picks and cash if you like..he will be
playing with last year's Houston rockets players..all new young youth..no
vets..until he decides to actually meet half way on his demands
6. Number 5 works..see Kobe going to pluto to play. |
they got out of a huge contract. They will end the season the same way without him as they would with. Obviously you want assets. but getting rid of 200m is something. Rock bottom is the trampoline |
They talking about keeping Chris Paul..and try to "dangle" him in midseason. Thats crazy! They got worse than better..moreover their tikcet sales they had will also drastically decrease as fans are upset with the trade as a whole.
What you going to tell ticket holders and fans
"Come on in and buy some tickets to look at our new aquisition ..Chris Paul as he plays games and might get hurt ie we have no d$@$ way of competing." Hit the Vinny Mac Song in the background "You GOT NO Chance! Thats what you got!" Yeah fans really going to rush and buy tickets to see that..you dont even have any youth or draft prospects to look forward to..sooo.
They in a DEEPER MESS than what they originally had. |
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CP3 ....
Option 1 - buyout. Wizards still have to pay him and via he stretch provision and have him stay on their books for the next 3 years (or 5).
Option 2 - hold him for assets. Wizards can't trade him so they pay him but at least his contract expires.
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Be the tough guy owner and hold Beal while paying him $50M a year for the next 4 yrs to be stuck in mediocrity
Such hard decisions. |
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JustaObserver
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| LakerFan1987 wrote: | CP3 ....
Option 1 - buyout. Wizards still have to pay him and via he stretch provision and have him stay on their books for the next 3 years (or 5).
Option 2 - hold him for assets. Wizards can't trade him so they pay him but at least his contract expires.
OR
Be the tough guy owner and hold Beal while paying him $50M a year for the next 4 yrs to be stuck in mediocrity
Such hard decisions. |
Keep Beal..Its not a hard choice. Same as what was done with Kobe.
Lets look at your options above:
Option 1: now you got a guy you paying..and he not even playing. Also your ticket sales go rock bottom because you got NO ONE to put on the floor that people want to see. pfft 
Option 2: What GM in their right mind besides CLippers is going to trade for him? He going to do the same thing BEAL doing on your books...but he might get hurt more oftten. The previous poster told you AGAIN that you getting nothing but bad contracts or midi players thats not going to help you compete. OR when he bounce ..you got money but you not getting a STAR OVER THERE AS YOUUU GOOOOT NOOOO PLAYERSSS..
This not hard its just that reading comprhension thingy with you...because you havent took those educational classes yet so I understand people have to say this about 5-10 times different ways. |
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| vasashi17+ wrote: | Also it appears the cLips are interested in trading for dude in case that buyout rule does end up getting in the way.
| Quote: | The Clippers and Wizards touched base yesterday on a potential Chris Paul trade, per @WindhorstESPN.
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It would be comical if the Clippers shipped out more of their limited draft capital to pick up the overpriced contract of Chris Paul.
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If the Clippers want to be stupid and trade for CP3 and his contract rather than wait for him to become a free agent after he's waived or stretched, be our guest.
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| JustaObserver wrote: | | LakerFan1987 wrote: | CP3 ....
Option 1 - buyout. Wizards still have to pay him and via he stretch provision and have him stay on their books for the next 3 years (or 5).
Option 2 - hold him for assets. Wizards can't trade him so they pay him but at least his contract expires.
OR
Be the tough guy owner and hold Beal while paying him $50M a year for the next 4 yrs to be stuck in mediocrity
Such hard decisions. |
Keep Beal..Its not a hard choice. Same as what was done with Kobe.
Lets look at your options above:
Option 1: now you got a guy you paying..and he not even playing. Also your ticket sales go rock bottom because you got NO ONE to put on the floor that people want to see. pfft
Option 2: What GM in their right mind besides CLippers is going to trade for him? He going to do the same thing BEAL doing on your books...but he might get hurt more oftten. The previous poster told you AGAIN that you getting nothing but bad contracts or midi players thats not going to help you compete. OR when he bounce ..you got money but you not getting a STAR OVER THERE AS YOUUU GOOOOT NOOOO PLAYERSSS..
This not hard its just that reading comprhension thingy with you...because you havent took those educational classes yet so I understand people have to say this about 5-10 times different ways. |
Comparing Beal to Kobe ....
Sorry buddy, trade is done. Take the L |
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| LakerFan1987 wrote: | | JustaObserver wrote: | | LakerFan1987 wrote: | CP3 ....
Option 1 - buyout. Wizards still have to pay him and via he stretch provision and have him stay on their books for the next 3 years (or 5).
Option 2 - hold him for assets. Wizards can't trade him so they pay him but at least his contract expires.
OR
Be the tough guy owner and hold Beal while paying him $50M a year for the next 4 yrs to be stuck in mediocrity
Such hard decisions. |
Keep Beal..Its not a hard choice. Same as what was done with Kobe.
Lets look at your options above:
Option 1: now you got a guy you paying..and he not even playing. Also your ticket sales go rock bottom because you got NO ONE to put on the floor that people want to see. pfft
Option 2: What GM in their right mind besides CLippers is going to trade for him? He going to do the same thing BEAL doing on your books...but he might get hurt more oftten. The previous poster told you AGAIN that you getting nothing but bad contracts or midi players thats not going to help you compete. OR when he bounce ..you got money but you not getting a STAR OVER THERE AS YOUUU GOOOOT NOOOO PLAYERSSS..
This not hard its just that reading comprhension thingy with you...because you havent took those educational classes yet so I understand people have to say this about 5-10 times different ways. |
Comparing Beal to Kobe ....
Sorry buddy, trade is done. Take the L |
The situation is the same..not the player...are you serious right now? You didnt understand that simple sentence? did you miss the was done part in the sentence?
While you pick up DLO to go to Toronto see if they got some reading comprehension classes over there for you. |
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| JustaObserver wrote: | | LakerFan1987 wrote: | | JustaObserver wrote: | | LakerFan1987 wrote: | CP3 ....
Option 1 - buyout. Wizards still have to pay him and via he stretch provision and have him stay on their books for the next 3 years (or 5).
Option 2 - hold him for assets. Wizards can't trade him so they pay him but at least his contract expires.
OR
Be the tough guy owner and hold Beal while paying him $50M a year for the next 4 yrs to be stuck in mediocrity
Such hard decisions. |
Keep Beal..Its not a hard choice. Same as what was done with Kobe.
Lets look at your options above:
Option 1: now you got a guy you paying..and he not even playing. Also your ticket sales go rock bottom because you got NO ONE to put on the floor that people want to see. pfft
Option 2: What GM in their right mind besides CLippers is going to trade for him? He going to do the same thing BEAL doing on your books...but he might get hurt more oftten. The previous poster told you AGAIN that you getting nothing but bad contracts or midi players thats not going to help you compete. OR when he bounce ..you got money but you not getting a STAR OVER THERE AS YOUUU GOOOOT NOOOO PLAYERSSS..
This not hard its just that reading comprhension thingy with you...because you havent took those educational classes yet so I understand people have to say this about 5-10 times different ways. |
Comparing Beal to Kobe ....
Sorry buddy, trade is done. Take the L |
The situation is the same..not the player...are you serious right now? You didnt understand that simple sentence? did you miss the was done part in the sentence?
While you pick up DLO to go to Toronto see if they got some reading comprehension classes over there for you. |
It's all good. I like DLO if he's under a reasonable contract.
Seriously anything that is said about DLO you swoop in and come to his defense.
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OP, take out the BREAKING NEWS already.
It’s been 3 days now.
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| JustaObserver wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | JustaObserver wrote: |
Once again he rot on the bench of Washington. Thats the thing..they dont have to move him. They have no pressure of him walking away.
1. The trade was unfavorable to them
2. He cant walk away
3. you can continue accumulating picks and cash regardless
4. You still fill out sales as he still your star
5. You trade everyone not gauranteed for picks and cash if you like..he will be
playing with last year's Houston rockets players..all new young youth..no
vets..until he decides to actually meet half way on his demands
6. Number 5 works..see Kobe going to pluto to play. |
they got out of a huge contract. They will end the season the same way without him as they would with. Obviously you want assets. but getting rid of 200m is something. Rock bottom is the trampoline |
They talking about keeping Chris Paul..and try to "dangle" him in midseason. Thats crazy! They got worse than better..moreover their tikcet sales they had will also drastically decrease as fans are upset with the trade as a whole.
What you going to tell ticket holders and fans
"Come on in and buy some tickets to look at our new aquisition ..Chris Paul as he plays games and might get hurt ie we have no d$@$ way of competing." Hit the Vinny Mac Song in the background "You GOT NO Chance! Thats what you got!" Yeah fans really going to rush and buy tickets to see that..you dont even have any youth or draft prospects to look forward to..sooo.
They in a DEEPER MESS than what they originally had. |
they are not a serious franchise. They do have new ownership IIRC so maybe they are on the mend but to do so beal had to go.
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JustaObserver
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| Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2023 12:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Halflife wrote: | | JustaObserver wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | JustaObserver wrote: |
Once again he rot on the bench of Washington. Thats the thing..they dont have to move him. They have no pressure of him walking away.
1. The trade was unfavorable to them
2. He cant walk away
3. you can continue accumulating picks and cash regardless
4. You still fill out sales as he still your star
5. You trade everyone not gauranteed for picks and cash if you like..he will be
playing with last year's Houston rockets players..all new young youth..no
vets..until he decides to actually meet half way on his demands
6. Number 5 works..see Kobe going to pluto to play. |
they got out of a huge contract. They will end the season the same way without him as they would with. Obviously you want assets. but getting rid of 200m is something. Rock bottom is the trampoline |
They talking about keeping Chris Paul..and try to "dangle" him in midseason. Thats crazy! They got worse than better..moreover their tikcet sales they had will also drastically decrease as fans are upset with the trade as a whole.
What you going to tell ticket holders and fans
"Come on in and buy some tickets to look at our new aquisition ..Chris Paul as he plays games and might get hurt ie we have no d$@$ way of competing." Hit the Vinny Mac Song in the background "You GOT NO Chance! Thats what you got!" Yeah fans really going to rush and buy tickets to see that..you dont even have any youth or draft prospects to look forward to..sooo.
They in a DEEPER MESS than what they originally had. |
they are not a serious franchise. They do have new ownership IIRC so maybe they are on the mend but to do so beal had to go. |
No Beal didnt have to go...You get the best for your buck. The let him determine what they was going to get..and thats a "no no".
Mind Kobe tried the same and Lakers said "Noooooo"
You can continue to run with Beal and move pieces for a younger core. Back again its the same thing that happen to Kobe in the llast years of playing. Kobe became the oldest vet on the team but the team was becomeing younger midas Lou will and Nick Young. However the team was changeing.
This same thing would have been happening with Beal on the team...until he decided to stop being hard headed and willing to "give to get". However they rushed this and im sure the NBA will really take notice of their next few moves...put it like this.
You still have to put butts in the seat and sale of merchandise. What they did is stop even that from happening from their branch for some time(they got no picks either)....this can result in not looking favoriable by the NBA in general..ie Super Sonics anybody?
The farthest thing i can see them doing is do what OKC did with Chris Paul as many thought he would retire there..but Paul brung his stock back up getting them to the playoffs and eventually got traded up out of there and OKC got picks(i think not sure)...However in Wash he is older and breaking down and on his last year of his contract..sooooo. Just cuase you got money dont mean players are going to want to play for you. Many players will say "Beal was there and never got anywhere nor got any help..So why would i go there?"
They can claim that stupid new management reason right now but that will only last so long....if they go down the Super Sonics/Wahsington Bullets path..smh this will be the key element to point to. |
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| Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2023 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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| JustaObserver wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | JustaObserver wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | JustaObserver wrote: |
Once again he rot on the bench of Washington. Thats the thing..they dont have to move him. They have no pressure of him walking away.
1. The trade was unfavorable to them
2. He cant walk away
3. you can continue accumulating picks and cash regardless
4. You still fill out sales as he still your star
5. You trade everyone not gauranteed for picks and cash if you like..he will be
playing with last year's Houston rockets players..all new young youth..no
vets..until he decides to actually meet half way on his demands
6. Number 5 works..see Kobe going to pluto to play. |
they got out of a huge contract. They will end the season the same way without him as they would with. Obviously you want assets. but getting rid of 200m is something. Rock bottom is the trampoline |
They talking about keeping Chris Paul..and try to "dangle" him in midseason. Thats crazy! They got worse than better..moreover their tikcet sales they had will also drastically decrease as fans are upset with the trade as a whole.
What you going to tell ticket holders and fans
"Come on in and buy some tickets to look at our new aquisition ..Chris Paul as he plays games and might get hurt ie we have no d$@$ way of competing." Hit the Vinny Mac Song in the background "You GOT NO Chance! Thats what you got!" Yeah fans really going to rush and buy tickets to see that..you dont even have any youth or draft prospects to look forward to..sooo.
They in a DEEPER MESS than what they originally had. |
they are not a serious franchise. They do have new ownership IIRC so maybe they are on the mend but to do so beal had to go. |
No Beal didnt have to go...You get the best for your buck. The let him determine what they was going to get..and thats a "no no".
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they got out of a bad investment. Take a loss and move on. That alone is great. being able to get players would have been greater but they still got great. Hes gone.
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| Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2023 1:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Halflife wrote: | | JustaObserver wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | JustaObserver wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | JustaObserver wrote: |
Once again he rot on the bench of Washington. Thats the thing..they dont have to move him. They have no pressure of him walking away.
1. The trade was unfavorable to them
2. He cant walk away
3. you can continue accumulating picks and cash regardless
4. You still fill out sales as he still your star
5. You trade everyone not gauranteed for picks and cash if you like..he will be
playing with last year's Houston rockets players..all new young youth..no
vets..until he decides to actually meet half way on his demands
6. Number 5 works..see Kobe going to pluto to play. |
they got out of a huge contract. They will end the season the same way without him as they would with. Obviously you want assets. but getting rid of 200m is something. Rock bottom is the trampoline |
They talking about keeping Chris Paul..and try to "dangle" him in midseason. Thats crazy! They got worse than better..moreover their tikcet sales they had will also drastically decrease as fans are upset with the trade as a whole.
What you going to tell ticket holders and fans
"Come on in and buy some tickets to look at our new aquisition ..Chris Paul as he plays games and might get hurt ie we have no d$@$ way of competing." Hit the Vinny Mac Song in the background "You GOT NO Chance! Thats what you got!" Yeah fans really going to rush and buy tickets to see that..you dont even have any youth or draft prospects to look forward to..sooo.
They in a DEEPER MESS than what they originally had. |
they are not a serious franchise. They do have new ownership IIRC so maybe they are on the mend but to do so beal had to go. |
No Beal didnt have to go...You get the best for your buck. The let him determine what they was going to get..and thats a "no no".
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they got out of a bad investment. Take a loss and move on. That alone is great. being able to get players would have been greater but they still got great. Hes gone. |
Why cant you answer any questions? You know it was a bad move..why dont you just admit it? Why song and dance over what is said? |
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We really need to move on with this. Whether it was a good move or a bad move, the Wizards were clearly desperate to get off of that contract, and because of their stupidity in giving him a NTC, they lost any leverage. Please, let's just move on, this isn't constructive. |
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| Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2023 1:33 pm Post subject: |
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| JustaObserver wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | JustaObserver wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | JustaObserver wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | JustaObserver wrote: |
Once again he rot on the bench of Washington. Thats the thing..they dont have to move him. They have no pressure of him walking away.
1. The trade was unfavorable to them
2. He cant walk away
3. you can continue accumulating picks and cash regardless
4. You still fill out sales as he still your star
5. You trade everyone not gauranteed for picks and cash if you like..he will be
playing with last year's Houston rockets players..all new young youth..no
vets..until he decides to actually meet half way on his demands
6. Number 5 works..see Kobe going to pluto to play. |
they got out of a huge contract. They will end the season the same way without him as they would with. Obviously you want assets. but getting rid of 200m is something. Rock bottom is the trampoline |
They talking about keeping Chris Paul..and try to "dangle" him in midseason. Thats crazy! They got worse than better..moreover their tikcet sales they had will also drastically decrease as fans are upset with the trade as a whole.
What you going to tell ticket holders and fans
"Come on in and buy some tickets to look at our new aquisition ..Chris Paul as he plays games and might get hurt ie we have no d$@$ way of competing." Hit the Vinny Mac Song in the background "You GOT NO Chance! Thats what you got!" Yeah fans really going to rush and buy tickets to see that..you dont even have any youth or draft prospects to look forward to..sooo.
They in a DEEPER MESS than what they originally had. |
they are not a serious franchise. They do have new ownership IIRC so maybe they are on the mend but to do so beal had to go. |
No Beal didnt have to go...You get the best for your buck. The let him determine what they was going to get..and thats a "no no".
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they got out of a bad investment. Take a loss and move on. That alone is great. being able to get players would have been greater but they still got great. Hes gone. |
Why cant you answer any questions? You know it was a bad move..why dont you just admit it? Why song and dance over what is said? |
The bad move was paying a supermax to a guy who didn't move the needle in the W/L column. An even worse move was giving him a NTC. That investment is gone only one year after it happened. Thats great for them. Now they have CP3 and Chament. Not great by any stretch, but they no longer have a 200m$$ guy on their team who was nowhere near a #1.
So in your mind, you would sit on a bad $$$ investment until you get the right package? Those bad dollars never come back and no matter who did come back its not moving the needle. It is the easiest thing to understand.
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| ChickenStu wrote: | ^
We really need to move on with this. Whether it was a good move or a bad move, the Wizards were clearly desperate to get off of that contract, and because of their stupidity in giving him a NTC, they lost any leverage. Please, let's just move on, this isn't constructive. |
Seriously ... some people are stubborn. |
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| CP3 is toast and a douche to boot. |
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| LakerFan1987 wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | ^
We really need to move on with this. Whether it was a good move or a bad move, the Wizards were clearly desperate to get off of that contract, and because of their stupidity in giving him a NTC, they lost any leverage. Please, let's just move on, this isn't constructive. |
Seriously ... some people are stubborn. |
Seriously some people need to get enrolled in comprehension classes. They cant answer no questions....watch this
If there was so much leverage with the NTC..What happened to Kobe's "Leverage"? What happened to him playing in Chi-town? Whooops!...incoming crickets... |
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| he was on the view today. they asked him about the trade. he was pretty nonchalant about it, lol |
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| If clippers give up any meaningful assets (do they even have any?) for chris paul -- I would assume it went against the advise of Jerry West |
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| JustaObserver wrote: | | LakerFan1987 wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | ^
We really need to move on with this. Whether it was a good move or a bad move, the Wizards were clearly desperate to get off of that contract, and because of their stupidity in giving him a NTC, they lost any leverage. Please, let's just move on, this isn't constructive. |
Seriously ... some people are stubborn. |
Seriously some people need to get enrolled in comprehension classes. They cant answer no questions....watch this
If there was so much leverage with the NTC..What happened to Kobe's "Leverage"? What happened to him playing in Chi-town? Whooops!...incoming crickets... |
LOL at referencing the kobe situation. A) if beal were kobe the wiz would have gotten better offers. B) LMAO at comparing the situations C) That was a decade ago. D) LMAO x2 for comparing the situations, because you would have to compare players in that scenario and we all know no one wants to do that. E) Buss loved Kobe like a son. So with everything written. kobe was never going anywhere. ever.
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