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| tox wrote: | In the G-League he's averaging 22/5/5 on 47/43/80 splits. He's <50% from 2 (he's at 49%). His assist to turnover ratio is 1.6.
Nothing about this screams sure bet, but at least he looks better than in his summer league.
I'm not sure why people are acting like they want him to be a bust. It's fine to be skeptical but it strikes me as a good thing he's playing relatively well. I suspect that 3FG% is an illusion and real NBA defense will drop that significantly, which is my biggest worry. But in any case, he's young. No point of being a doomer about him. |
I don’t look at the percentages so much because there’s nothing to really translate g-league data to pro data. I just look at the fact that through all his highlight clips (and I’ve watched all of them) you can count on one hand the number of at-rim shots he’s taken—very disconcerting for a guard—especially one billed for his size. DLO was criticized for his lack of athleticism when drafted (something buoyed by his strong shot-making and playmaking) but even he showed an ability to score at the rim. JHS is unable or unwilling to drive to the rim against g-leaguers, as he was against college athletes. I’m sure the very public block by JJJ (who is not a good shotblocker btw) didn’t help his willingness.
I honestly don’t knows what scouts saw. I remember Hollinger was equally puzzled going into the draft, putting him at 40th overall. Players that rely exclusively on difficult shot-making (which he didn’t even do efficiently—49% TS) virtually never translate to the pros. We’re basically hoping his hot shooting from 3 translates. It’s the only way he’s going to be an impact offensive player. I’m not rooting against him. I just think the odds aren’t in his favor, and we’re better off trading him while his value is more mysterious than known. |
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| pjiddy wrote: | | tox wrote: | In the G-League he's averaging 22/5/5 on 47/43/80 splits. He's <50% from 2 (he's at 49%). His assist to turnover ratio is 1.6.
Nothing about this screams sure bet, but at least he looks better than in his summer league.
I'm not sure why people are acting like they want him to be a bust. It's fine to be skeptical but it strikes me as a good thing he's playing relatively well. I suspect that 3FG% is an illusion and real NBA defense will drop that significantly, which is my biggest worry. But in any case, he's young. No point of being a doomer about him. |
I don’t look at the percentages so much because there’s nothing to really translate g-league data to pro data. I just look at the fact that through all his highlight clips (and I’ve watched all of them) you can count on one hand the number of at-rim shots he’s taken—very disconcerting for a guard—especially one billed for his size. DLO was criticized for his lack of athleticism when drafted (something buoyed by his strong shot-making and playmaking) but even he showed an ability to score at the rim. JHS is unable or unwilling to drive to the rim against g-leaguers, as he was against college athletes. I’m sure the very public block by JJJ (who is not a good shotblocker btw) didn’t help his willingness.
I honestly don’t knows what scouts saw. I remember Hollinger was equally puzzled going into the draft, putting him at 40th overall. Players that rely exclusively on difficult shot-making (which he didn’t even do efficiently—49% TS) virtually never translate to the pros. We’re basically hoping his hot shooting from 3 translates. It’s the only way he’s going to be an impact offensive player. I’m not rooting against him. I just think the odds aren’t in his favor, and we’re better off trading him while his value is more mysterious than known. |
Yeah for me if we are going to take a non-athlete then they better have some seriously elite skills to make up for it. Just not seeing any with JHS. A guy like DLo was a significantly better shooter and playmaker coming into the league, and even with his elite shooting this season there are real concerns about him holding up in the playoffs. Just seems like it’ll be a tough path for him to have a meaningful career unless he just becomes a lights out shooter. Seeing the guys we passed on for him is painful. Those mistakes are the difference between keeping a contending window open and seeing it close.
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| pjiddy wrote: | | tox wrote: | In the G-League he's averaging 22/5/5 on 47/43/80 splits. He's <50% from 2 (he's at 49%). His assist to turnover ratio is 1.6.
Nothing about this screams sure bet, but at least he looks better than in his summer league.
I'm not sure why people are acting like they want him to be a bust. It's fine to be skeptical but it strikes me as a good thing he's playing relatively well. I suspect that 3FG% is an illusion and real NBA defense will drop that significantly, which is my biggest worry. But in any case, he's young. No point of being a doomer about him. |
I don’t look at the percentages so much because there’s nothing to really translate g-league data to pro data. I just look at the fact that through all his highlight clips (and I’ve watched all of them) you can count on one hand the number of at-rim shots he’s taken—very disconcerting for a guard—especially one billed for his size. DLO was criticized for his lack of athleticism when drafted (something buoyed by his strong shot-making and playmaking) but even he showed an ability to score at the rim. JHS is unable or unwilling to drive to the rim against g-leaguers, as he was against college athletes. I’m sure the very public block by JJJ (who is not a good shotblocker btw) didn’t help his willingness.
I honestly don’t knows what scouts saw. I remember Hollinger was equally puzzled going into the draft, putting him at 40th overall. Players that rely exclusively on difficult shot-making (which he didn’t even do efficiently—49% TS) virtually never translate to the pros. We’re basically hoping his hot shooting from 3 translates. It’s the only way he’s going to be an impact offensive player. I’m not rooting against him. I just think the odds aren’t in his favor, and we’re better off trading him while his value is more mysterious than known. |
I can agree with all of this. Including trading him away if we try to make a serious move this offseason (I'd rather keep Christie for example). I wasn't a big fan of the pick. But I'm interested to see, while he's a Laker, how he develops. Things can look very different with skill work, more reps finishing at the basket, etc. I've seen enough players abuse the Lakers' small and/or non-physical guards to know there's value in a plus sized guard with a sturdy build, but a lot of things have to go right with his shooting and ballhandling. |
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| tox wrote: | | pjiddy wrote: | | tox wrote: | In the G-League he's averaging 22/5/5 on 47/43/80 splits. He's <50% from 2 (he's at 49%). His assist to turnover ratio is 1.6.
Nothing about this screams sure bet, but at least he looks better than in his summer league.
I'm not sure why people are acting like they want him to be a bust. It's fine to be skeptical but it strikes me as a good thing he's playing relatively well. I suspect that 3FG% is an illusion and real NBA defense will drop that significantly, which is my biggest worry. But in any case, he's young. No point of being a doomer about him. |
I don’t look at the percentages so much because there’s nothing to really translate g-league data to pro data. I just look at the fact that through all his highlight clips (and I’ve watched all of them) you can count on one hand the number of at-rim shots he’s taken—very disconcerting for a guard—especially one billed for his size. DLO was criticized for his lack of athleticism when drafted (something buoyed by his strong shot-making and playmaking) but even he showed an ability to score at the rim. JHS is unable or unwilling to drive to the rim against g-leaguers, as he was against college athletes. I’m sure the very public block by JJJ (who is not a good shotblocker btw) didn’t help his willingness.
I honestly don’t knows what scouts saw. I remember Hollinger was equally puzzled going into the draft, putting him at 40th overall. Players that rely exclusively on difficult shot-making (which he didn’t even do efficiently—49% TS) virtually never translate to the pros. We’re basically hoping his hot shooting from 3 translates. It’s the only way he’s going to be an impact offensive player. I’m not rooting against him. I just think the odds aren’t in his favor, and we’re better off trading him while his value is more mysterious than known. |
I can agree with all of this. Including trading him away if we try to make a serious move this offseason (I'd rather keep Christie for example). I wasn't a big fan of the pick. But I'm interested to see, while he's a Laker, how he develops. Things can look very different with skill work, more reps finishing at the basket, etc. I've seen enough players abuse the Lakers' small and/or non-physical guards to know there's value in a plus sized guard with a sturdy build, but a lot of things have to go right with his shooting and ballhandling. |
one thing i'll try to be bullish on just to not be mr. negative, he does seem to have quick hands. He's not getting a lot of steals in the box score, but i wonder if that's because he's usually deflecting to the person getting credited with the steal? He's definitely big and is hopefully strong. Hopefully someone who can rely on instinct and positioning defensively, but not having quick lateral movement kinda caps him a bit. |
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When Rob was interviewed on draft night, I thought he said JHS was a Jesse Buss pick.
They should have drafted GG Jackson, with the 2nd round pick they traded for. |
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It's weird how the Lakers have (mostly) done a good job of drafting in recent years, but they apparently messed up the 2023 draft.
Going with Lonzo Ball in 2017 was the one massive failure they had, but besides that, they've been pretty good.
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| slavavov wrote: | It's weird how the Lakers have (mostly) done a good job of drafting in recent years, but they apparently messed up the 2023 draft.
Going with Lonzo Ball in 2017 was the one massive failure they had, but besides that, they've been pretty good. |
That was a Magic pick. The guy was singing like a canary before the draft that Zo was our guy.
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| jonnybravo wrote: | | slavavov wrote: | It's weird how the Lakers have (mostly) done a good job of drafting in recent years, but they apparently messed up the 2023 draft.
Going with Lonzo Ball in 2017 was the one massive failure they had, but besides that, they've been pretty good. |
That was a Magic pick. The guy was singing like a canary before the draft that Zo was our guy. |
Magic wanted Fox. Jeanie, Pelinka, and Tim Harris wanted Lonzo Ball. Guess what college Tim Harris attended. |
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| slavavov wrote: | It's weird how the Lakers have (mostly) done a good job of drafting in recent years, but they apparently messed up the 2023 draft.
Going with Lonzo Ball in 2017 was the one massive failure they had, but besides that, they've been pretty good. |
Can't really say Zo was a failure given how his career never really started in the first place. In order for someone to bust, they have to consistently show it, and Zo was always knocked down a peg with some injury. He never really had a chance to prove himself. In the brief moment he was healthy, I do know that he was the MVP of that Bulls team. They were contending with him and now they are a play-in squad without him.
It also goes without saying Zo was the right pick at the time. Summer league was absolutely electric with him, and then he dropped a 30 point triple double in his 2nd NBA game. He was showing all the right signs and trending upwards. No one (except Lavar) could have predicted his downslide with all the injuries. That's on Lavar's barbaric training methods. I fear the same is happening to LaMelo.
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| Denny_Russo wrote: | | slavavov wrote: | It's weird how the Lakers have (mostly) done a good job of drafting in recent years, but they apparently messed up the 2023 draft.
Going with Lonzo Ball in 2017 was the one massive failure they had, but besides that, they've been pretty good. |
Can't really say Zo was a failure given how his career never really started in the first place. In order for someone to bust, they have to consistently show it, and Zo was always knocked down a peg with some injury. He never really had a chance to prove himself. In the brief moment he was healthy, I do know that he was the MVP of that Bulls team. They were contending with him and now they are a play-in squad without him.
It also goes without saying Zo was the right pick at the time. Summer league was absolutely electric with him, and then he dropped a 30 point triple double in his 2nd NBA game. He was showing all the right signs and trending upwards. No one (except Lavar) could have predicted his downslide with all the injuries. That's on Lavar's barbaric training methods. I fear the same is happening to LaMelo. |
That lob to BI on like the first play of summer league got me hyped then Magic got all Don Da Da shutting BI down but man, that squad with young Lonzo/BI/Hart/Zubac was nice
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The Lakers say that rookie guard Jalen Hood-Schifino underwent successful back surgery -- lumbar microdiscectomy -- on Thursday. No time table for recovery was provided. |
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| pjiddy wrote: | welp
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The Lakers say that rookie guard Jalen Hood-Schifino underwent successful back surgery -- lumbar microdiscectomy -- on Thursday. No time table for recovery was provided. |
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so that's what was holding him back |
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| pjiddy wrote: | welp
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The Lakers say that rookie guard Jalen Hood-Schifino underwent successful back surgery -- lumbar microdiscectomy -- on Thursday. No time table for recovery was provided. |
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Back surgery at 20. That's rough. What's next for these kids? Open heart surgery?
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Haha… can anyone give us even a 2nd rd pick for this guy?
What a wasted pick |
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| Bron2AD wrote: | Haha… can anyone give us even a 2nd rd pick for this guy?
What a wasted pick |
But he scored 26 points against non NBA competition
Back surgery, putrid NBA play, limited skills, weak athletic ability, Laker player under valuation... I don't know he'd command a 2nd as of now either |
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| 2019 wrote: | | Bron2AD wrote: | Haha… can anyone give us even a 2nd rd pick for this guy?
What a wasted pick |
But he scored 26 points against non NBA competition
Back surgery, putrid NBA play, limited skills, weak athletic ability, Laker player under valuation... I don't know he'd command a 2nd as of now either |
Agree 100%
Rob got suckered into the Kobe mentality thing and failure is not an option garbage |
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| Bron2AD wrote: | | 2019 wrote: | | Bron2AD wrote: | Haha… can anyone give us even a 2nd rd pick for this guy?
What a wasted pick |
But he scored 26 points against non NBA competition
Back surgery, putrid NBA play, limited skills, weak athletic ability, Laker player under valuation... I don't know he'd command a 2nd as of now either |
Agree 100%
Rob got suckered into the Kobe mentality thing and failure is not an option garbage |
All these professionals should know Kobe or Mamba mentality is just a saying. No one really has it but Kobe. |
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Turns out it was a bulging disk...
Jalen Hood-Schifino’s procedure involved a bulging disk in his back being shaved, a source familiar with the injury told ESPN. The Lakers expect the 20-year-old guard to make a full recovery in the offseason.
https://x.com/mcten/status/1770955736547250194?s=46&t=6-sxM4NpvzeWdNMn3aVCqg
So I'm glad it was nothing too too major and I hope he heals well and recovers completely. That said I am still crying in Jaime Jaquez and Brandin Podziemski 
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| TDRock wrote: | Turns out it was a bulging disk...
Jalen Hood-Schifino’s procedure involved a bulging disk in his back being shaved, a source familiar with the injury told ESPN. The Lakers expect the 20-year-old guard to make a full recovery in the offseason.
https://x.com/mcten/status/1770955736547250194?s=46&t=6-sxM4NpvzeWdNMn3aVCqg
So I'm glad it was nothing too too major and I hope he heals well and recovers completely. That said I am still crying in Jaime Jaquez and Brandin Podziemski |
Hope he's alright. Back problems can linger and lead to early retirement if not fixed, so hopefully this surgery addresses it for good. He's got a long road ahead of him. Sure guys like Jaquez or Podz would be nice, but I doubt we've seen the best of JHS yet.
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Dr. Rajpal Brar, DPT
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In other words, this is removing a piece of tissue in the back that is causing irritation, typically onto the nerves. Looking at a 2.5 to 3 month recovery and outcomes are good for elite basketball players. Tough rookie season for Jalen with multiple injuries.
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| pjiddy wrote: | | Quote: |
Dr. Rajpal Brar, DPT
@3cbPerformance
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9h
In other words, this is removing a piece of tissue in the back that is causing irritation, typically onto the nerves. Looking at a 2.5 to 3 month recovery and outcomes are good for elite basketball players. Tough rookie season for Jalen with multiple injuries.
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Hopefully outcome is good for mid players as well🙏 |
Hopefully outcome is good for scrub players as well🙏 |
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Lakers failed miserably with this pick.
Could have picked Jacquez, Whitmore - who actually play.
Still believe the Lonzo pick was by far the worst in franchise history. They passed on Tatum, Fox, Lauri, etc. |
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There is some perspective needed in this thread. Hopefully JHS has a smooth recovery.
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