Murray averaged 30.9 points per 100 possessions in the Finals with Vincent as the primary defender, compared to 36.9 against former Lakers guard Dennis Schroder in the conference finals, per Second Spectrum
I think Ham unleashes him in the 1st round... He might get more minutes and be the primary back up PG off the bench.
Dinwiddie might get downgraded to spot minutes if needed.
I sure hope playoff mode for Vincent has been activated. It seems that expectations are premature tho. We had 1 game where Vincent looked decent on both sides of the ball and Dinwidde imitated him with a bagel zero and all of a sudden Vincent is being touted to receive all of Spencer’s minutes. We need to see more.
Vincent scored zero in 4 of his 6 games back yet Dinwidde had a 12 and an 18 point game over his last 6. Plus, it’s not like Vincent exploded for points, he scored 9. Reason for optimism regarding Vincent for sure, I love the way he dove for that loose ball and hit those two 3pt shots.
Maybe they both step up and give the Lakers better perimeter defense in the playoffs, maybe with two of them at least one them…either one…could be effective for any given game. Maybe Vincent emerges and gets all 3rd guard minutes. At least he’s back and has a chance for that now! _________________ “When it looks as if it is a realistic possibility, I want to focus on winning a ship like it’s a goal that can’t be denied. I didn’t see that this off season.”
I think Ham unleashes him in the 1st round... He might get more minutes and be the primary back up PG off the bench.
Dinwiddie might get downgraded to spot minutes if needed.
Dinwiddie and Vincent are both known for stepping up in the Playoffs. they should be our 1 and 2 off the bench together. But not in a 3 guard lineup unless its a forward/guard like Christie, till Vando gets back.
This bench
Gabe Vincent
Spencer Dinwiddie
Max Christie
Taurean Prince
Jaxson Hayes
Would be a fine bench unit if Ham actually ran it, or kept a starting forward with them if he isn't gonna play Max, and by starting forward i mean Rui or LeBron or AD(moved to the 4 for spot minutes when the bench comes in). _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk
Has to play more than 8 minutes, especially on a night where DLO was way off.
It's a bit more than that, he and Dinwiddie are being used differently than DLo/Reaves; DLo/Reaves run plays, initiate P&R's, while Vincent/Dinwiddie set up in the corners or pass the ball around the perimeter. The coaching staff apparently doesn't trust them yet to be significant playmakers.
Did you guys see that play where Vincent guarded Murray and Murray took a off balance jumper that completely missed? Vincents defense was perfect that play. I actually think Murray only scored once against Vincent and all the other times were misses?
This is why Vincent needs more minutes..I agree he doesn't do much playmaking..but you can put him on the court with Dlo who could playmake and LBJ.
This is why Vincent needs more minutes..I agree he doesn't do much playmaking..but you can put him on the court with Dlo who could playmake and LBJ.
Oh totally agreed he should get more minutes, his defense has been great. I was just trying to temper expectations - he won't score much until his role is modified.
Ham needs to put the best perimeter defender on Murray for most of the game. If that's Vincent then do it and stop messing around.
Completely agree.
The Dlo/Reeves backcourt is going to get abused. Look at this video around 3:10.
Dlo/Reeves double team Murray off the screen..both gamble and he gets around both of them to get the score.
Even the defense of 2 of them together can't handle Murray.
If that is Vincent on Murray, it would be a different story
Vincent has been overhyped and overrated so far, he scored ZERO points in 5 of his last 7 games. We don’t know what the future will bring but so far Vincent hasn’t shown he should be part of it as of now. _________________ “When it looks as if it is a realistic possibility, I want to focus on winning a ship like it’s a goal that can’t be denied. I didn’t see that this off season.”
Are we throwing this guy away too soon? I’m actually interested in seeing how the team looks with him, Vando, and Max on the floor. We may not be as bad defensively. We also have Christian Wood.
Gabe
Max
Knecht
Vando
Wood
That’s 5 guys who should be in the rotation this season that were not last season. We’re pretty much a different team even if we didn’t make many moves. Maybe it’s smart to see wait and see how they look before we start making trades? We may not need what we think we need right now.
I say we should hold.
What if everything falls our way.
Gabe plays like his playoff run for the heat for us next season.
Max meets or exceeds fan expectations next season.
Vando develops a corner 3 that needs to be respected.
Wood plays up to his potential under a different coach which is a borderline 20-10 guy.
Dalton knecht puts up ROY numbers and hits the ground running like everyone expects.
I think we are better than alot of us think.
Before his injury
With good health, which is questionable, I think the Lakers could probably get close to 50 wins. I actually agree with your take, a healthy Gabe gives us a PoA defender with more offensive chops than whatever he showed last year. A healthy Vando gives us a versatile defender and strong rebounding with an unorthodox offensive skillset but he's not a total 0 there. Wood brings PICKnPOP capability ( ), great rebounding, and switch beating in the post. And Max gives more PoA defense, strong positional rebounding, and good spot up shooting.
There's actually a lot of skillsets for JJ to work with here but he has to maximize them properly, both in lineups and schematically.
Although it appears Dennis would play on Pluto if it meant him starting. Reports were he was upset when he got benched in Toronto. _________________ "He's a Zen master, so he can speak to you, and he doesn't need a microphone; you can hear him in your head, 'Ron, don't shoot, don't shoot.' Whatever, pow, three. I love the Zen, though."
Dennis brings that full court defensive pressure. Now they're asking Bronny James to do that. The aspect of the team most ignored is those areas. Role players that can do those high energy athletic certain specific skill focused task.
IE Big that can help AD slide to 4. (Rui can't do this, nor Vandy)
IE defensive guard that can help Lebron run the 1 on offense, and pick up the defensive slack on the perimeter (DLO can't do this, nor Reaves)
There's just a few roles on the team that just are ignored and not valued.
I believe at his best Gabe does provide you with an important role. He can initiate some offense with ballhandling and also defend in the halfcourt better than DLO or Reaves. Problem is his shooting can hurt you. He doesn't really attack the defense the way Dennis can/could.
If he is legit able to do that, then you have a role filled in that you previously didn't. However based on when I saw him play, I was not impressed. Why would Miami just let him go? They let Nunn go as well. They seem to have a program that makes role players look better than they actually are. They themselves know what players to keep. We bought into the reputation ...
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), great rebounding, and switch beating in the post. And Max gives more PoA defense, strong positional rebounding, and good spot up shooting.
