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JerryWest_44
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| The coach is unable to make this team play with consistent effort on the defense |
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MJST
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Jeanie has to be frustrated.. there is no ifs or buts about it, there is no way we should be below 500 with the talent we have especially when that talent is AD and LeBron, I just can’t see how major changes aren’t soon |
Jeanie..
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She would only care if Ham was hired over Phil, or if he was picked by Jim.
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Kblo247!
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| Rui and Vando can’t get 30 mins or a start. It’s not point anymore unless if Pelinka trades Prince |
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panamaniac
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| Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2024 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Darvins Lakers manage to make the sorry ass Hawks look like the playoff team that they aspire to be. |
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mad55557777
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| Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2024 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Jeanie has to be frustrated.. there is no ifs or buts about it, there is no way we should be below 500 with the talent we have especially when that talent is AD and LeBron, I just can’t see how major changes aren’t made soon |
Why would she? We are making big money, and paying way less taxes this year(1.3M over tax line), got the IST banner |
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MJST
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| Kblo247! wrote: | | Rui and Vando can’t get 30 mins or a start. It’s not point anymore unless if Pelinka trades Prince |
Prince needs to be traded for it to actually happen.
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cirehawk
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| samnizam wrote: | | JustaObserver wrote: | | samnizam wrote: | | Robblake wrote: | | samnizam wrote: | | Can wonder why you are not a coach |
What has ham done to show you he’s a competent coach? |
A coach is as good as his players… |
ARe you serious? Are you HAm's relative or something? The playerrrrs are as good as the coach...what kind of nonesense you on? He call the plays ..He makes the rotations...he tells them who to defend...this is on your coach. Playing players far too long..yeah ok. |
The nonsense comments is from people who hasn’t coached a game in their life even on a recreational level. |
And YOU somehow know which "anonymous" posters here have coached or not? Having differing opinions is fine. That's what happens on fan messaging boards. But going the extra mile and calling out the experience and knowledge level of people you know nothing about is just silly. But hey, if it makes you fell better, more power to you. |
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Inspector Gadget
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| mad55557777 wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Jeanie has to be frustrated.. there is no ifs or buts about it, there is no way we should be below 500 with the talent we have especially when that talent is AD and LeBron, I just can’t see how major changes aren’t made soon |
Why would she? We are making big money, and paying way less taxes this year(1.3M over tax line), got the IST banner |
She must not care that she would be pissing off her daddy |
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JustaObserver
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Glad that means we get to keep him..that'll work. Fire Ham and get a real center + 3D guy and everything is great! |
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samnizam
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Taking bad shots is not the coach fault
Not rebuilding is not the coach fault
Turn overs is not the coach faults
Yes ham probably not a good coach but who is.. most coaches who are doing well they don’t have a superstars on their team( Milwaukee) he was fired because he didn’t get along with the stars even his record was good.
The point is we are stuck with lebron and coaching him and AD is not that easy. That way Phil Jackson was a legend same with Pop they do what is right no matter what the outcome. You are not going to find many of those . It’s a player league. |
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cirehawk
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| TDRock wrote: | | NGL - this was not the outcome I was expecting. I didn't think we'd have much difficulty against the Hawks but I was mistaken. |
Clearly. If there is ONE thing this team his consistently shown us, it's that there isn't a team in the league that's sorry enough to not blow us out. |
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MJST
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| samnizam wrote: | Taking bad shots is not the coach fault
Not rebuilding is not the coach fault
Turn overs is not the coach faults
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Lineup structure is the coaches fault
Terrible lineups are the coaches fault
ignoring analytics is the coaches fault
ignoring the lineups that work is the coaches fault
Constantly changing player roles is the coaches fault
ignoring what worked last year is the coaches fault
playing guys 35-40 minutes on a back to back is the coaches fault
starting prince/reddish/vando/ad/lbj is the coaches fault
running a 5 out offense with this roster is the coaches fault
not implementing pick and roll or motion offense is the coaches fault
trying defensive schemes but having no idea the personnel necessary is the coaches fault
not starting the lineup that made the WCF all year is the coaches fault
playing reddish/prince 30 minutes a game is the coaches fault
not running any plays for the 17-20 ppg center coming off the bench is the coaches fault
Everything that matters towards NOT starting our season or games behind the 8 ball being ignored and flat out NOT DONE is the Coaches fault.
It's the Coaches Fault.
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venturalakersfan
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| JerryWest_44 wrote: | | The coach is unable to make this team play with consistent effort on the defense |
Some of it is personnel, with AD out and Wood and Rui manning the middle it was a layup line.
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cirehawk
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| samnizam wrote: | Taking bad shots is not the coach fault
Not rebuilding is not the coach fault
Turn overs is not the coach faults
Yes ham probably not a good coach but who is.. most coaches who are doing well they don’t have a superstars on their team( Milwaukee) he was fired because he didn’t get along with the stars even his record was good.
The point is we are stuck with lebron and coaching him and AD is not that easy. That way Phil Jackson was a legend same with Pop they do what is right no matter what the outcome. You are not going to find many of those . It’s a player league. |
Oh there is blame to go around for sure. But this team has enough talent to beat the mid-level to bottom feeder teams, instead of getting blown out by them constantly. The fact that it keeps happening reflects directly on the coach. |
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TDRock
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Darvin Ham said he isn’t on social media and wasn’t aware of Christian Wood’s pregame “Lol” tweet. He said he wanted to keep Wood in his typical role and felt he had a solid game tonight. He added that lineups aren’t a “popularity contest” and are about what’s best for the team.
https://x.com/jovanbuha/status/1752529649978966180?s=46&t=6-sxM4NpvzeWdNMn3aVCqg
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Polarbear
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I don’t like his management of minutes on a back to back, but I’m not quite sure what we would’ve done without Anthony Davis anyway
This team centers around him |
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cirehawk
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | mad55557777 wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Jeanie has to be frustrated.. there is no ifs or buts about it, there is no way we should be below 500 with the talent we have especially when that talent is AD and LeBron, I just can’t see how major changes aren’t made soon |
Why would she? We are making big money, and paying way less taxes this year(1.3M over tax line), got the IST banner |
She must not care that she would be pissing off her daddy |
Well she DID marry a comedian, so she could be used to jokes now (which this team is in danger of becoming). And that's not a shot at her relationship. You love who you love. It's just an amusing metaphor.  |
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samnizam
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| Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2024 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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| cirehawk wrote: | | samnizam wrote: | Taking bad shots is not the coach fault
Not rebuilding is not the coach fault
Turn overs is not the coach faults
Yes ham probably not a good coach but who is.. most coaches who are doing well they don’t have a superstars on their team( Milwaukee) he was fired because he didn’t get along with the stars even his record was good.
The point is we are stuck with lebron and coaching him and AD is not that easy. That way Phil Jackson was a legend same with Pop they do what is right no matter what the outcome. You are not going to find many of those . It’s a player league. |
Oh there is blame to go around for sure. But this team has enough talent to beat the mid-level to bottom feeder teams, instead of getting blown out by them constantly. The fact that it keeps happening reflects directly on the coach. |
I never said that coach ham is Phil Jackson. This team is old lack enforcers (like Matta) you need dirty hard working players which the lakers lacks. |
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cirehawk
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| MJST wrote: | | samnizam wrote: | Taking bad shots is not the coach fault
Not rebuilding is not the coach fault
Turn overs is not the coach faults
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Lineup structure is the coaches fault
Terrible lineups are the coaches fault
ignoring analytics is the coaches fault
ignoring the lineups that work is the coaches fault
Constantly changing player roles is the coaches fault
ignoring what worked last year is the coaches fault
playing guys 35-40 minutes on a back to back is the coaches fault
starting prince/reddish/vando/ad/lbj is the coaches fault
running a 5 out offense with this roster is the coaches fault
not implementing pick and roll or motion offense is the coaches fault
trying defensive schemes but having no idea the personnel necessary is the coaches fault
not starting the lineup that made the WCF all year is the coaches fault
playing reddish/prince 30 minutes a game is the coaches fault
not running any plays for the 17-20 ppg center coming off the bench is the coaches fault
Everything that matters towards NOT starting our season or games behind the 8 ball being ignored and flat out NOT DONE is the Coaches fault.
It's the Coaches Fault. |
Dang. Preach! |
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JustaObserver
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| samnizam wrote: | Taking bad shots is not the coach fault
Not rebuilding is not the coach fault
Turn overs is not the coach faults
Yes ham probably not a good coach but who is.. most coaches who are doing well they don’t have a superstars on their team( Milwaukee) he was fired because he didn’t get along with the stars even his record was good.
The point is we are stuck with lebron and coaching him and AD is not that easy. That way Phil Jackson was a legend same with Pop they do what is right no matter what the outcome. You are not going to find many of those . It’s a player league. |
That what you wrote there is really a load.."wheeewww weeee" but lets go through it like shawshank redemption shall we and come out on the other side?
"Taking bad shots is not the coach fault" ...sure not but putting them in a better postion to succeed is. How has this offense put any of these players in a good position? How has his rotations put them in a great position? OK how about giving advice for when players or off their game? Drawing up plays? how about sitting them to enforce good play? This leads me to your other statement
"Not rebuilding is not the coach fault" Rob has brung in players over to summer not to rebuild but continue what was built upon last year..you know when they went to the WCF..Now i dont agree with some of Robs picks ...Who you might ask? I hate the Wood pick ONLY because we should have not bypassed on every other Center waiting for him to decide. I was ok with the HAyes PICK IF he is THE BACKUP TO THE BACKUP CENTER. The Cam pick was just dumb to me as you needed a real 3D guy which we could have got on draft day when the Nets were asking for a pick to replace DFS..We should have jumped on that deal..IF I KNEW THEY WERE PICKING JHS..smh. However its back to your coach must put the pieces together inorder to win which he really hasnt done.
"Turn overs is not the coach faults" nope sure isnt put assigning players positions sure is..Turnovers happen with tired legs and lack of concentration and not practicing and NOT HAVING A REAL OFFENSE. These guys played over 30-40 min on a back to back..you also teling you PG not to setup a offense but just give it to the guy who is a Star. On top of that guys who not assigned a real role are dribbleing or passing..smh. that kind of goes to coaching also..smh. No proper roles..you got reck ball..
Yes ham probably not a good coach best part you have said.
Who is? Anyone besides Ham. I rather college coach right now than him. He cant enforce disciple to stars like LBJ or AD..then why is he here? How can you get real respect from even role players when they see you cant enforce rules to the Stars., No accountability...how can that work as a coach? |
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cirehawk
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| Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2024 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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| samnizam wrote: | | cirehawk wrote: | | samnizam wrote: | Taking bad shots is not the coach fault
Not rebuilding is not the coach fault
Turn overs is not the coach faults
Yes ham probably not a good coach but who is.. most coaches who are doing well they don’t have a superstars on their team( Milwaukee) he was fired because he didn’t get along with the stars even his record was good.
The point is we are stuck with lebron and coaching him and AD is not that easy. That way Phil Jackson was a legend same with Pop they do what is right no matter what the outcome. You are not going to find many of those . It’s a player league. |
Oh there is blame to go around for sure. But this team has enough talent to beat the mid-level to bottom feeder teams, instead of getting blown out by them constantly. The fact that it keeps happening reflects directly on the coach. |
I never said that coach ham is Phil Jackson. This team is old lack enforcers (like Matta) you need dirty hard working players which the lakers lacks. |
True, but coaching plays a part in getting players to play hard. As I said, there is blame to go around. our roster construction may not be good enough to beat the elite level teams, but we certainly shouldn't consistently get blown out by bad teams. THAT is due to poor coaching. |
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TDRock
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samnizam
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Lineup structure is the coaches fault (BS when you have too many injuries )
Terrible lineups are the coaches fault(BS when you have injuries and supper stars have to start)
ignoring analytics is the coaches fault( possible)
ignoring the lineups that work is the coaches fault( see me two BS before)
Constantly changing player roles is the coaches fault ( Same answer)
ignoring what worked last year is the coaches fault ( Last year was not the norm over achieving if you think otherwise you don’t know basketball)
playing guys 35-40 minutes on a back to back is the coaches fault ( we might agree on that)
starting prince/reddish/vando/ad/lbj is the coaches fault( and who would you start)
running a 5 out offense with this roster is the coaches fault( so you agree the roster is flawed lol)
not implementing pick and roll or motion offense is the coaches fault( we probably can agree on that)
trying defensive schemes but having no idea the personnel necessary is the coaches fault ( I would like to hear your defense scheme)
not starting the lineup that made the WCF all year is the coaches fault( repeating the same old stuff it was not normal last year over achieving….
playing reddish/prince 30 minutes a game is the coaches fault
not running any plays for the 17-20 ppg center coming off the bench is the coaches fault( AD scoring at well and how do you know what goes between AD and the coach )
With all do respect you need to be a coach. lol |
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TDRock
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^ I take it you're a coach because you're really going on about this.
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