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| Denny_Russo wrote: | | If Mitch and Jimmy got the boot for MozDeng, in no world should Rob get off easy for HamBrook. Two inexcusable signings that derailed every hope and chance for championship contention. |
Darvin Ham and Westbrook were bad for sure.
But with Jimmy and Mitch. We were bottom dwellers for nearly 1/2 a decade. That was a totally different league of awful compared to making the WC Finals. Or just the playoffs in general.
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| Day wrote: | | Our team is better than Denvers, our roster is better. These last two games have shown that. Our coach is terrible, that's probably more on Jeanie than Rob. |
No. Denver has better talent. When Denver decides to step on the gas, they show they are a tier above us |
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| kikanga wrote: | | Denny_Russo wrote: | | If Mitch and Jimmy got the boot for MozDeng, in no world should Rob get off easy for HamBrook. Two inexcusable signings that derailed every hope and chance for championship contention. |
Darvin Ham and Westbrook were bad for sure.
But with Jimmy and Mitch. We were bottom dwellers for nearly 1/2 a decade. That was a totally different league of awful compared to making the WC Finals. Or just the playoffs in general. |
Yeah both have their strengths and weaknesses, so it's somewhat of an apples and oranges comparison.
Mitch and Jim treated every managerial decision like it was the early 2000s. The abject dependency on free agency and total failure to adapt to the modern game (2015-) and circumstances sealed their fate. That's where a hotshot exec like Bob Myers excelled- he knew the game was changing and pioneered the 3 point revolution. They just needed a consultant with his level of acumen to get them up to speed. Pretty sure Jerry Buss would have found the right guy.
But I will give them credit for excellent drafting. I do think if they kept the core together and added someone like PG or Kawhi, they would have had a pretty solid foundation.
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It pisses me off that the Lakers wasted 2 years with this basic core. They were NEVER contenders. Last year was smoke and mirrors with a favorable draw to the WCF.
People are just happy that the Lakers are better off than they were with the Westbrook era, but the Lakers should be better with LeBron and AD still playing at a high level.
The Lakers have probably dug themselves too many holes to get themselves out.
The Lakers need both a better 3rd option and role players that plug in specific holes. Had the Lakers had their wits about them over the years, the Lakers could have had both right now.
But the Westbrook trade, using a pick to trade for Schroder,, bad draft picks, and letting talent walk for nothing is an egregious waste of assets.
It was a tiny needle that needed to be thread to have the Lakers still contending right now, but that's the job when you're making the decisions for the Lakers. |
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| Halflife wrote: | | Day wrote: | | Our team is better than Denvers, our roster is better. These last two games have shown that. |
No it isn’t and no it hasn’t. |
How are we always leading by double digits at the half EVERYTIME? |
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| JustaObserver wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | Day wrote: | | Our team is better than Denvers, our roster is better. These last two games have shown that. |
No it isn’t and no it hasn’t. |
How are we always leading by double digits at the half EVERYTIME? |
The whole team gets gassed in the 2nd half due to the high altitude. The high-minutes starters are all laboring by the 4th, watch their shot trajectories and their slower rotations and their postures - tired legs not getting enough oxygen.
LBJ in particular gets gassed even more due to his age and because he's unable to coast as every minute is critical - since they already know no lead is safe. |
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Itsowheeze
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| JustaObserver wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | Day wrote: | | Our team is better than Denvers, our roster is better. These last two games have shown that. |
No it isn’t and no it hasn’t. |
How are we always leading by double digits at the half EVERYTIME? |
The talent is better but the coaching is not. Losing leads and unorganized play are signs of bad coaching. |
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| Itsowheeze wrote: | | JustaObserver wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | Day wrote: | | Our team is better than Denvers, our roster is better. These last two games have shown that. |
No it isn’t and no it hasn’t. |
How are we always leading by double digits at the half EVERYTIME? |
The talent is better but the coaching is not. Losing leads and unorganized play are signs of bad coaching. |
we actually dont. MPJ is a max player. A Gordan is a defensive ace and so is KCP
who are our defensive aces or all in 1 utility players? |
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| Brawn13 wrote: | | Day wrote: | | Our team is better than Denvers, our roster is better. These last two games have shown that. Our coach is terrible, that's probably more on Jeanie than Rob. |
No. Denver has better talent. When Denver decides to step on the gas, they show they are a tier above us |
We should’ve won by like 10 if we had any sort of offense to take there many runs. We had zero offense. We have the players just not the leadership |
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| anth2000 wrote: | | Day wrote: | | Our team is better than Denvers, our roster is better. These last two games have shown that. Our coach is terrible, that's probably more on Jeanie than Rob. |
Disagree, no way our roster is better.
Davis and Lebron vs Murray and Jokic - That's a wash
Michael Porter Jr, Gordon, Braun = Better than all our guys combined |
Davis and LeBron have played better than Murray and Jokic. AD has been the best player on the floor in both games. We had big leads in both games, IN Denver. We lost because of coaching. We got to the WCF last year despite terrible coaching. It's not a roster issue. |
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| Day wrote: | | anth2000 wrote: | | Day wrote: | | Our team is better than Denvers, our roster is better. These last two games have shown that. Our coach is terrible, that's probably more on Jeanie than Rob. |
Disagree, no way our roster is better.
Davis and Lebron vs Murray and Jokic - That's a wash
Michael Porter Jr, Gordon, Braun = Better than all our guys combined |
Davis and LeBron have played better than Murray and Jokic. AD has been the best player on the floor in both games. We had big leads in both games, IN Denver. We lost because of coaching. We got to the WCF last year despite terrible coaching. It's not a roster issue. |
^This.^
Granted, there are flaws in our roster. Some of that due to injury (Vando, Gabe *until recently*, Wood...). But I'm of the opinion that most of it is horrible decision making, on Ham's part.
If the Lakers were TRULY so outmatched by the Nuggets, they would not have been up double digits in each of these first two games, and looking good while doing it.
Just one example. Our bench has been totally irrelevant, outside Prince. Gabe plays inspired defense. But, his long absence has done nothing for his offensive rhythm. Dinwiddie has just been gross, sad to say. So, why haven't we seen Christie. Yes, he's young, and been iced during the regular season (Ham's decision). But, with those other two guys giving you nothing on offense, what have you got to lose. At the very least, give Dinwiddie's minutes to Max...
I call Ham "Coach Pockets" because when things get tight, he looks like he has no clue what to do, other than stand with his hands in his pockets, and look around for someone else to tell him what to do. You're not a assistant coach anymore. You're a head coach. So COACH.
But, no matter how this series turns out, the Lakers need to move on from Ham. This entire season, and early post season, have made that evidently clear, imo.
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| JustaObserver wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | Day wrote: | | Our team is better than Denvers, our roster is better. These last two games have shown that. |
No it isn’t and no it hasn’t. |
How are we always leading by double digits at the half EVERYTIME? |
Yet they are leading after the game. EVERYTIME. 10 straight
Jokic
Murray
Mpj
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Kcp
Is elite. Who cares about leads. We hear all of the time that leads don’t mean much nowadays. Everyone can be had, but not by halftime.
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| Halflife wrote: | | JustaObserver wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | Day wrote: | | Our team is better than Denvers, our roster is better. These last two games have shown that. |
No it isn’t and no it hasn’t. |
How are we always leading by double digits at the half EVERYTIME? |
Yet they are leading after the game. EVERYTIME. 10 straight
Jokic
Murray
Mpj
Ag
Kcp
Is elite. Who cares about leads. We hear all of the time that leads don’t mean much nowadays. Everyone can be had, but not by halftime. |
Look back in the comments..people are telling you multiple times..we got the talent but the coaching is bad.
You say who cares about leads? Okay do you know that every 3rd qtr for the past 2 years we almost ALWAYS give back leads..not one, two, three, four games..but for the past 2 YEARS. Thats not strange to you? Whats that? 164 games?..you dont see that as strange. every 3rd qtr we come out flat..dont know how to play..dont have set plays..dont go back to what works..none of this is strange to you?
If not..what do you think a coach's job is? |
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| JustaObserver wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | JustaObserver wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | Day wrote: | | Our team is better than Denvers, our roster is better. These last two games have shown that. |
No it isn’t and no it hasn’t. |
How are we always leading by double digits at the half EVERYTIME? |
Yet they are leading after the game. EVERYTIME. 10 straight
Jokic
Murray
Mpj
Ag
Kcp
Is elite. Who cares about leads. We hear all of the time that leads don’t mean much nowadays. Everyone can be had, but not by halftime. |
Look back in the comments..people are telling you multiple times..we got the talent but the coaching is bad.
You say who cares about leads? Okay do you know that every 3rd qtr for the past 2 years we almost ALWAYS give back leads..not one, two, three, four games..but for the past 2 YEARS. Thats not strange to you? Whats that? 164 games?..you dont see that as strange. every 3rd qtr we come out flat..dont know how to play..dont have set plays..dont go back to what works..none of this is strange to you?
If not..what do you think a coach's job is? |
James worthy on last game “bron is our guy , but that iso play in the 4th qt doesn’t work” - not coaching
JW- “ they played with discipline early, but they didn’t sustain it . I don’t know why” - not coaching
When do our players beyond Just DLo get held accountable? Hamm is not the answer but you swap rosters, we are 2-0.
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lakersfever714
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| Denny_Russo wrote: | | If Mitch and Jimmy got the boot for MozDeng, in no world should Rob get off easy for HamBrook. Two inexcusable signings that derailed every hope and chance for championship contention. Worse, if KCP doesn't join Denver they don't have nearly the same perimeter defense to cover for Murray and Jokic. Jeanie has to stop covering for her boy. |
A lot of people blame LeKlutch for Westbrick trade so I wouldn't put that on Pelinka. I blame Pelinka for everything else though from not adequately replacing Howard/McGee and for losing Caruso and for losing KCP. Basically, dismantling a championship team and replace it with a bunch of inconsistent roleplayers that we have now.
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| Halflife wrote: | | JustaObserver wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | JustaObserver wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | Day wrote: | | Our team is better than Denvers, our roster is better. These last two games have shown that. |
No it isn’t and no it hasn’t. |
How are we always leading by double digits at the half EVERYTIME? |
Yet they are leading after the game. EVERYTIME. 10 straight
Jokic
Murray
Mpj
Ag
Kcp
Is elite. Who cares about leads. We hear all of the time that leads don’t mean much nowadays. Everyone can be had, but not by halftime. |
Look back in the comments..people are telling you multiple times..we got the talent but the coaching is bad.
You say who cares about leads? Okay do you know that every 3rd qtr for the past 2 years we almost ALWAYS give back leads..not one, two, three, four games..but for the past 2 YEARS. Thats not strange to you? Whats that? 164 games?..you dont see that as strange. every 3rd qtr we come out flat..dont know how to play..dont have set plays..dont go back to what works..none of this is strange to you?
If not..what do you think a coach's job is? |
James worthy on last game “bron is our guy , but that iso play in the 4th qt doesn’t work” - not coaching
JW- “ they played with discipline early, but they didn’t sustain it . I don’t know why” - not coaching
When do our players beyond Just DLo get held accountable? Hamm is not the answer but you swap rosters, we are 2-0. |
No..
“bron is our guy , but that iso play in the 4th qt doesn’t work” - No thats coaching to tell him to stop and give him a set play to run. He was doing that in the 3rd qtr also. Why do you think he was doing it?
Its because he saw noone being able to score so he took charge to score..however its on the COACH to reel it back by inserting set plays for others ..ie run the offense.
JW- “ they played with discipline early, but they didn’t sustain it . I don’t know why” Nope thats coaching. Its upon him to get them to run the offense..those that dont? Get benched..discipline and structure is on the coach. Do you know if Phil left it to Kobe he would have the ball and post up all 35-40 min? Shaq would never get the ball  Fox horry fisher? Nope they would not get the ball either. Its up to the Coach to maintain structure and keep the players fresh with rotations and get them to run the offense.
You want to change players? ok..can you imagine Prime Shaq on this team and LBJ started to run ALL 3qtr and into the 4th qtr ISO ball..Shaq would have SNAPPED...Its up to the coach to emphasize giving it to the hot hand and also running the offense..thus eventhough say LBJ is good at ISO..HE MUST RUN THE OFFENSE thus giving the ball sometimes to SHAQ. |
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I dont see the discussion of the Lebron deciding over westbrick.
Rob Pelinka single handedly destroyed a championship team. Now 4 years after said moves, we still have this bum as GM. He has to be FIRED.
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| DrWolf wrote: | I dont see the discussion of the Lebron deciding over westbrick.
Rob Pelinka single handedly destroyed a championship team. Now 4 years after said moves, we still have this bum as GM. He has to be FIRED. |
Please stop..smh. Rob cant do nothing without Jeanie approval. Jeanie ear is with Rambi and Klutch. |
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| JustaObserver wrote: | | DrWolf wrote: | I dont see the discussion of the Lebron deciding over westbrick.
Rob Pelinka single handedly destroyed a championship team. Now 4 years after said moves, we still have this bum as GM. He has to be FIRED. |
Please stop..smh. Rob cant do nothing without Jeanie approval. Jeanie ear is with Rambi and Klutch. |
Jeanie doesn't know anything about basketball. So it's either Rob or the Rambis or fire them all. She should definitely get smarter friends or she should stop listening to her friends. When it comes to business, experience and expertise is more important than trust.
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| Halflife wrote: | | JustaObserver wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | JustaObserver wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | Day wrote: | | Our team is better than Denvers, our roster is better. These last two games have shown that. |
No it isn’t and no it hasn’t. |
How are we always leading by double digits at the half EVERYTIME? |
Yet they are leading after the game. EVERYTIME. 10 straight
Jokic
Murray
Mpj
Ag
Kcp
Is elite. Who cares about leads. We hear all of the time that leads don’t mean much nowadays. Everyone can be had, but not by halftime. |
Look back in the comments..people are telling you multiple times..we got the talent but the coaching is bad.
You say who cares about leads? Okay do you know that every 3rd qtr for the past 2 years we almost ALWAYS give back leads..not one, two, three, four games..but for the past 2 YEARS. Thats not strange to you? Whats that? 164 games?..you dont see that as strange. every 3rd qtr we come out flat..dont know how to play..dont have set plays..dont go back to what works..none of this is strange to you?
If not..what do you think a coach's job is? |
James worthy on last game “bron is our guy , but that iso play in the 4th qt doesn’t work” - not coaching
JW- “ they played with discipline early, but they didn’t sustain it . I don’t know why” - not coaching
When do our players beyond Just DLo get held accountable? Hamm is not the answer but you swap rosters, we are 2-0. |
This is literally coaching, what? Lol
If Bron is isoing every play , you don't think it's on the coach to either be the one telling him to do it or is the one who should be telling him not to and drawing up plays?
The not playing with discipline thing is partially coaching but when you compound it with ad's comment of "we don't even know what we're doing out there at times on both ends of the floor", that's coaching. |
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| DrWolf wrote: | I dont see the discussion of the Lebron deciding over westbrick.
Rob Pelinka single handedly destroyed a championship team. Now 4 years after said moves, we still have this bum as GM. He has to be FIRED. |
he did twice actually. 1 right after championship and the 2nd one with the stupid WestBrick trade |
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| lakersfever714 wrote: | | JustaObserver wrote: | | DrWolf wrote: | I dont see the discussion of the Lebron deciding over westbrick.
Rob Pelinka single handedly destroyed a championship team. Now 4 years after said moves, we still have this bum as GM. He has to be FIRED. |
Please stop..smh. Rob cant do nothing without Jeanie approval. Jeanie ear is with Rambi and Klutch. |
Jeanie doesn't know anything about basketball. So it's either Rob or the Rambis or fire them all. She should definitely get smarter friends or she should stop listening to her friends. When it comes to business, experience and expertise is more important than trust. |
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JustaObserver
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| Bron2AD wrote: | | DrWolf wrote: | I dont see the discussion of the Lebron deciding over westbrick.
Rob Pelinka single handedly destroyed a championship team. Now 4 years after said moves, we still have this bum as GM. He has to be FIRED. |
he did twice actually. 1 right after championship and the 2nd one with the stupid WestBrick trade |
Why dont we really tell the truth?...2020 was broke up by the signing of TREZZZZ..Goood OLE TREZZZ!..the begging of small ball..Why a Klutch Client. Howard was told recind his statment of getting said money and immediatly went to philly. Next Mcgee was not resigned..in place for Marc Gasol who was waaaay over the hill.
Next? WestTrash..who came with that dumb move..LA-KANG and Klutch..Remember rob was going to do the Demar trade and kuz surely thought he was headed to SAC...... |
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| JustaObserver wrote: | | Bron2AD wrote: | | DrWolf wrote: | I dont see the discussion of the Lebron deciding over westbrick.
Rob Pelinka single handedly destroyed a championship team. Now 4 years after said moves, we still have this bum as GM. He has to be FIRED. |
he did twice actually. 1 right after championship and the 2nd one with the stupid WestBrick trade |
Why dont we really tell the truth?...2020 was broke up by the signing of TREZZZZ..Goood OLE TREZZZ!..the begging of small ball..Why a Klutch Client. Howard was told recind his statment of getting said money and immediatly went to philly. Next Mcgee was not resigned..in place for Marc Gasol who was waaaay over the hill.
Next? WestTrash..who came with that dumb move..LA-KANG and Klutch..Remember rob was going to do the Demar trade and kuz surely thought he was headed to SAC...... |
LOL. Yep I cant even argue all facts. |
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