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| JustaObserver wrote: | | Bron2AD wrote: | | DrWolf wrote: | I dont see the discussion of the Lebron deciding over westbrick.
Rob Pelinka single handedly destroyed a championship team. Now 4 years after said moves, we still have this bum as GM. He has to be FIRED. |
he did twice actually. 1 right after championship and the 2nd one with the stupid WestBrick trade |
Why dont we really tell the truth?...2020 was broke up by the signing of TREZZZZ..Goood OLE TREZZZ!..the begging of small ball..Why a Klutch Client. Howard was told recind his statment of getting said money and immediatly went to philly. Next Mcgee was not resigned..in place for Marc Gasol who was waaaay over the hill.
Next? WestTrash..who came with that dumb move..LA-KANG and Klutch..Remember rob was going to do the Demar trade and kuz surely thought he was headed to SAC...... |
Chill baby boy that’s exactly what I am saying in a non boisterous way |
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| JustaObserver wrote: | | Bron2AD wrote: | | DrWolf wrote: | I dont see the discussion of the Lebron deciding over westbrick.
Rob Pelinka single handedly destroyed a championship team. Now 4 years after said moves, we still have this bum as GM. He has to be FIRED. |
he did twice actually. 1 right after championship and the 2nd one with the stupid WestBrick trade |
Why dont we really tell the truth?...2020 was broke up by the signing of TREZZZZ..Goood OLE TREZZZ!..the begging of small ball..Why a Klutch Client. Howard was told recind his statment of getting said money and immediatly went to philly. Next Mcgee was not resigned..in place for Marc Gasol who was waaaay over the hill.
Next? WestTrash..who came with that dumb move..LA-KANG and Klutch..Remember rob was going to do the Demar trade and kuz surely thought he was headed to SAC...... |
That Gasol/Trezz year wasn’t as bad as it’s made out to seem. Letting Dwight/JaVale/Rondo/Green all go from a championship team was something I was always concerned about, but the team signed Schroeder and also brought in Drummond later in the season. The squad had the best record in the league early before injuries and looked to have Phoenix…the eventual Western Conf Winner…on the ropes in the playoffs before AD went down.
That year Pelinka made some bad moves but they were survivable with a couple good moves to counter. It was the next year that doomed it replacing Drummond with Deandre Jordan and signing all those 8 little guards (no players on the team to start the season between 6’4” and 6’9”) along with all those 8 over the hill former Lakers. That was also the year of Westbrook debacle. Had Rob brought Shroeder and Drummond back with Morris the Westbrook experiment may have led to at least a playin such that Vogel could have been kept to avoid the Ham sandwich.
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| Hanging from Rafters wrote: | | JustaObserver wrote: | | Bron2AD wrote: | | DrWolf wrote: | I dont see the discussion of the Lebron deciding over westbrick.
Rob Pelinka single handedly destroyed a championship team. Now 4 years after said moves, we still have this bum as GM. He has to be FIRED. |
he did twice actually. 1 right after championship and the 2nd one with the stupid WestBrick trade |
Why dont we really tell the truth?...2020 was broke up by the signing of TREZZZZ..Goood OLE TREZZZ!..the begging of small ball..Why a Klutch Client. Howard was told recind his statment of getting said money and immediatly went to philly. Next Mcgee was not resigned..in place for Marc Gasol who was waaaay over the hill.
Next? WestTrash..who came with that dumb move..LA-KANG and Klutch..Remember rob was going to do the Demar trade and kuz surely thought he was headed to SAC...... |
That Gasol/Trezz year wasn’t as bad as it’s made out to seem. Letting Dwight/JaVale/Rondo/Green all go from a championship team was something I was always concerned about, but the team signed Schroeder and also brought in Drummond later in the season. The squad had the best record in the league early before injuries and looked to have Phoenix…the eventual Western Conf Winner…on the ropes in the playoffs before AD went down.
That year Pelinka made some bad moves but they were survivable with a couple good moves to counter. It was the next year that doomed it replacing Drummond with Deandre Jordan and signing all those 8 little guards (no players on the team to start the season between 6’4” and 6’9”) along with all those 8 over the hill former Lakers. That was also the year of Westbrook debacle. Had Rob brought Shroeder and Drummond back with Morris the Westbrook experiment may have led to at least a playin such that Vogel could have been kept to avoid the Ham sandwich. |
Yup, I believe that 21 team was our most talented roster during the LeBron/AD years. Gasol was an underrted piece dispite his subpar numbers. A big that took on bigger players so AD didn't have to and someone that could also space the floor and playmake. At the VM. Wish we had that now. Same with Drummond.
The Trezz fall off should be studied also.
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vasashi17+
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You brought in Bron who went to 8 straight Finals with 2 different FOs. I understand folks will keep harping on the East being weak and that Bron was younger and closer to his prime, but that doesn’t excuse Rob absolutely dropping the ball with Bron coming here and dragging dude thru play-in shenanigans just to qualify for a playoff berth. The one outlier is the bubble playoff run and it’s pretty obvious why that particular season was so unique. Don’t forget that he intended to trade for AD & sign a 3rd max FA, but failed at it. In the process, we not only gave up draft picks, but we dumped salary using our stable of young’ns. Had we traded for AD using just young players’ salaries or just draft capital, then we could have retained assets and flexibility to still build around Bron & AD immediately, but dude got cute and tried to champion the retention of Kuz in the AD purge via draft deferments. In the end that still is biting us in the ass. It’s fine that he wanted to target AD and Kawhi to pair with Bron that offseason, but there should have been a contingency IF he couldn’t execute such a plan accordingly. Tell the Pels & DC that we’ll only dump salaried players if Kawhi agrees to come, but if he doesn’t we going with a draft rich salary package for AD excluding these deferment options and just taking AD’s deal primarily into our cap space. That way you can trade the youngn’s for a 3rd star when the time comes.
Hindsight is 20/20 but targeting both Jrue and AD from the Pels in 2019 would have been the ideal & most practical scenario. Oh well.
I do agree that the buck stops with Jeanie tho and she needs to make the appropriate fire/hires. The think with Rob & a rookie coach like Ham is that we got too many folks holding each other’s hands while learning on the job. Instead, it should be hiring a legitimate and tenured PoBO/GM so that Jeanie, the Buss’ & the Rambii don’t have to hold their hands in bball decision making matters. They should hire the right folks up top that have proven pedigree and let them decide all bball op matters while the Buss/Rambii conglomerate along with Harris figure out how to fund their checks.
Imho Jeanie forced FO novices like Magic & Rob to work together solely for the optics. She wanted the fanbase to get excited about employing Laker Legends (& in Rob’s case a Kobe proxy) so that they wouldn’t focus too much on letting go the Logo’s right hand man in Mitch and the family power struggle that was occurring with Jeanie & her bros.
Just like the eScapeGawd, Jeanie was trying to deflect, but that move continues to haunt us and it really cost us Bron’s brilliant twilight years since coming to LA. Dude has been balling regardless of Father Time pressing him & AD has been balling regardless of being pressed into the paint as our de facto starting 5. What could have been with that duo over these last 5 years had we had a legitimate & proven FO making all the bball decisions so that Jeanie, Kurt, Linda, TimH didn’t have to dabble.🤦🏻♂️
All that being said, please get your house in order ASAP! #FOh
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Hanging from Rafters
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| vasashi17+ wrote: | You brought in Bron who went to 8 straight Finals with 2 different FOs. I understand folks will keep harping on the East being weak and that Bron was younger and closer to his prime, but that doesn’t excuse Rob absolutely dropping the ball with Bron coming here and dragging dude thru play-in shenanigans just to qualify for a playoff berth. The one outlier is the bubble playoff run and it’s pretty obvious why that particular season was so unique. Don’t forget that he intended to trade for AD & sign a 3rd max FA, but failed at it. In the process, we not only gave up draft picks, but we dumped salary using our stable of young’ns. Had we traded for AD using just young players’ salaries or just draft capital, then we could have retained assets and flexibility to still build around Bron & AD immediately, but dude got cute and tried to champion the retention of Kuz in the AD purge via draft deferments. In the end that still is biting us in the ass. It’s fine that he wanted to target AD and Kawhi to pair with Bron that offseason, but there should have been a contingency IF he couldn’t execute such a plan accordingly. Tell the Pels & DC that we’ll only dump salaried players if Kawhi agrees to come, but if he doesn’t we going with a draft rich salary package for AD excluding these deferment options and just taking AD’s deal primarily into our cap space. That way you can trade the youngn’s for a 3rd star when the time comes.
Hindsight is 20/20 but targeting both Jrue and AD from the Pels in 2019 would have been the ideal & most practical scenario. Oh well.
I do agree that the buck stops with Jeanie tho and she needs to make the appropriate fire/hires. The think with Rob & a rookie coach like Ham is that we got too many folks holding each other’s hands while learning on the job. Instead, it should be hiring a legitimate and tenured PoBO/GM so that Jeanie, the Buss’ & the Rambii don’t have to hold their hands in bball decision making matters. They should hire the right folks up top that have proven pedigree and let them decide all bball op matters while the Buss/Rambii conglomerate along with Harris figure out how to fund their checks.
Imho Jeanie forced FO novices like Magic & Rob to work together solely for the optics. She wanted the fanbase to get excited about employing Laker Legends (& in Rob’s case a Kobe proxy) so that they wouldn’t focus too much on letting go the Logo’s right hand man in Mitch and the family power struggle that was occurring with Jeanie & her bros.
Just like the eScapeGawd, Jeanie was trying to deflect, but that move continues to haunt us and it really cost us Bron’s brilliant twilight years since coming to LA. Dude has been balling regardless if Father Time pressing him & AD has been balling regardless of being pressed into the paint as our de facto starting 5. What could have been with that duo over these last 5 years had we had a legitimate & proven FO. 🤦🏻♂️
All that being said, please get your house in order! #FOh |
The saddest part is that Rob said it when he stated that LBJ committed to the Lakers so they should committ to him by putting the best team together showing that he (Rob) knows better. They just failed. They…Lakers FO…have let us down.
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The evidence is just right that as DL0 stat line
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Just sell the damn team to Guggenheim and let them run it like a REAL f'ing business.
They will can Pelinka and HIRE REAL BASKETBALL people like some dude who isn't working right now ... hey Bob Meyers and bring back Jerry West. |
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He's gotta go. Worse than Mitch and Jim.
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| LakerFan1987 wrote: | Just sell the damn team to Guggenheim and let them run it like a REAL f'ing business.
They will can Pelinka and HIRE REAL BASKETBALL people like some dude who isn't working right now ... hey Bob Meyers and bring back Jerry West. |
Something needs to happen. I think that as a Laker fan, the FO is not as smart as in the past. Too many mistakes.
Picking Lonzo over Tatum. Hiring the wrong coach. Getting Westbrook.
Yes they got rid of Westbrook and made a good run. But they hired the wrong coach.
During the Magic days, you brought in the right players (Cooper, Scott,) and right coach (Riley)
They did it again with Kobe. They brought in Horry, Fisher, etc and Phil Jackson.
In the Lebron days, he did not even have a chance. Pelinka made too many mistakes. Wrong coach and players. |
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| LakerFan1987 wrote: | Just sell the damn team to Guggenheim and let them run it like a REAL f'ing business.
They will can Pelinka and HIRE REAL BASKETBALL people like some dude who isn't working right now ... hey Bob Meyers and bring back Jerry West. |
Gonna be a lot of soul searching over this off season. I don't think this organization is ready for the next generation. They are hanging onto to the past and not evolving with the times. |
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Jeanie needs to be fired!! Seriously should discuss the possibility of selling the team with other siblings. Otherwise, pay up for a proven GM, the most important position in an organization. And please, stop going to the Rambii for advice.
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| lakersfever714 wrote: | | Jeanie needs to be fired!! Seriously should discuss the possibility of selling the team with other siblings. Otherwise, pay up for a proven GM, the most important position in an organization. And please, stop going to the Rambii for advice. |
please STFU do you think you love the lakers more than the buss family . Look at the clippers has great owner , great coach, 3 stars where are they stop
Enough of this nonsense |
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| samnizam wrote: | | lakersfever714 wrote: | | Jeanie needs to be fired!! Seriously should discuss the possibility of selling the team with other siblings. Otherwise, pay up for a proven GM, the most important position in an organization. And please, stop going to the Rambii for advice. |
please STFU do you think you love the lakers more than the buss family . Look at the clippers has great owner , great coach, 3 stars where are they stop
Enough of this nonsense |
The kids are not capable of running this franchise. It’s too big and too bold. I promise you in the next 20 years the Clippers will be way more successful than the Lakers if both ownerships stay the same. One franchise is run by a billionaire who knows the importance of hiring the best in industry and moving aside. The other is a trust fund baby who had everything handed to them and thinks she can call shots the way her extremely talented father did.
Winning and success has very little to do with love. Nobody questions how much Jeanie loves the franchise but that means absolutely nothing. If anything I see that as a hinderance. |
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| samnizam wrote: | | lakersfever714 wrote: | | Jeanie needs to be fired!! Seriously should discuss the possibility of selling the team with other siblings. Otherwise, pay up for a proven GM, the most important position in an organization. And please, stop going to the Rambii for advice. |
please STFU do you think you love the lakers more than the buss family . Look at the clippers has great owner , great coach, 3 stars where are they stop
Enough of this nonsense |
I've never questioned the Buss family's love for the Lakers and their competitiveness. I question Jeanie's ability to run an NBA franchise. Lebron blessing her with a fluke championship might have been a curse to the Lakers in the long run because it made her think she's capable. She's run the Lakers for 11 years and what does she have to show for? It's quite evident by now that she's going to keep running a once great franchise into the ground if she remains as owner.
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| lakersfever714 wrote: | | samnizam wrote: | | lakersfever714 wrote: | | Jeanie needs to be fired!! Seriously should discuss the possibility of selling the team with other siblings. Otherwise, pay up for a proven GM, the most important position in an organization. And please, stop going to the Rambii for advice. |
please STFU do you think you love the lakers more than the buss family . Look at the clippers has great owner , great coach, 3 stars where are they stop
Enough of this nonsense |
I've never questioned the Buss family's love for the Lakers and their competitiveness. I question Jeanie's ability to run an NBA franchise. She's run the Lakers for 11 years and what does she have to show for? It's quite evident by now that she's going to keep running a once great franchise into the ground if she remains as owner. |
shes too emotional about the players. I know the clippers havent done ish but what Ballmer did to Blake was ruthless. Thats what you need.
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| samnizam wrote: | | lakersfever714 wrote: | | Jeanie needs to be fired!! Seriously should discuss the possibility of selling the team with other siblings. Otherwise, pay up for a proven GM, the most important position in an organization. And please, stop going to the Rambii for advice. |
please STFU do you think you love the lakers more than the buss family . Look at the clippers has great owner , great coach, 3 stars where are they stop
Enough of this nonsense |
But the clippers have been trending up ever since Balmer took over. Can’t say the same with Lakers. It’s like make shift roster every year outside of 40 year old LBJ and AD, and cheapened on GM and head coach hiring. It’s like investing in a company. Do you really want to invest in a company with great past glory but is currently run by family nepotism? |
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| lakersfever714 wrote: | | samnizam wrote: | | lakersfever714 wrote: | | Jeanie needs to be fired!! Seriously should discuss the possibility of selling the team with other siblings. Otherwise, pay up for a proven GM, the most important position in an organization. And please, stop going to the Rambii for advice. |
please STFU do you think you love the lakers more than the buss family . Look at the clippers has great owner , great coach, 3 stars where are they stop
Enough of this nonsense |
I've never questioned the Buss family's love for the Lakers and their competitiveness. I question Jeanie's ability to run an NBA franchise. Lebron blessing her with a fluke championship might have been a curse to the Lakers in the long run because it made her think she's capable. She's run the Lakers for 11 years and what does she have to show for? It's quite evident by now that she's going to keep running a once great franchise into the ground if she remains as owner. |
One of the highest payroll in league and she is cheap. Again comparing to the clippers or Boston. Give me a break |
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| SGV-Laker fan wrote: | | samnizam wrote: | | lakersfever714 wrote: | | Jeanie needs to be fired!! Seriously should discuss the possibility of selling the team with other siblings. Otherwise, pay up for a proven GM, the most important position in an organization. And please, stop going to the Rambii for advice. |
please STFU do you think you love the lakers more than the buss family . Look at the clippers has great owner , great coach, 3 stars where are they stop
Enough of this nonsense |
But the clippers have been trending up ever since Balmer took over. Can’t say the same with Lakers. It’s like make shift roster every year outside of 40 year old LBJ and AD, and cheapened on GM and head coach hiring. It’s like investing in a company. Do you really want to invest in a company with great past glory but is currently run by family nepotism? |
It’s probably an early exit this year again for the clippers. |
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| samnizam wrote: | | lakersfever714 wrote: | | samnizam wrote: | | lakersfever714 wrote: | | Jeanie needs to be fired!! Seriously should discuss the possibility of selling the team with other siblings. Otherwise, pay up for a proven GM, the most important position in an organization. And please, stop going to the Rambii for advice. |
please STFU do you think you love the lakers more than the buss family . Look at the clippers has great owner , great coach, 3 stars where are they stop
Enough of this nonsense |
I've never questioned the Buss family's love for the Lakers and their competitiveness. I question Jeanie's ability to run an NBA franchise. Lebron blessing her with a fluke championship might have been a curse to the Lakers in the long run because it made her think she's capable. She's run the Lakers for 11 years and what does she have to show for? It's quite evident by now that she's going to keep running a once great franchise into the ground if she remains as owner. |
One of the highest payroll in league and she is cheap. Again comparing to the clippers or Boston. Give me a break |
Knicks had a high payroll too throughout the year. They means nothing. It’s the other stuff she’s been cheap on. Head coach and GM. |
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hydrohead
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Fire Pelinka and bring back Mitch!!!!!!
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| hydrohead wrote: | | Fire Pelinka and bring back Mitch!!!!!! |
I'd be okay with Mitch as long as he gets someone like Bob Myers as a consultant. Old school and new school.
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| Denny_Russo wrote: | | hydrohead wrote: | | Fire Pelinka and bring back Mitch!!!!!! |
I'd be okay with Mitch as long as he gets someone like Bob Myers as a consultant. Old school and new school. |
mitch is terrible. we need a completely new everything. The brand has the nostalgia. We dont need familiar faces to carry that. We should be hiring the best and the brightest.
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mad55557777
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| hydrohead wrote: | | Fire Pelinka and bring back Mitch!!!!!! |
the GM of the powerhouse Hornets? no thanks |
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Denny_Russo
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| Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2024 10:34 am Post subject: |
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| Halflife wrote: | | Denny_Russo wrote: | | hydrohead wrote: | | Fire Pelinka and bring back Mitch!!!!!! |
I'd be okay with Mitch as long as he gets someone like Bob Myers as a consultant. Old school and new school. |
mitch is terrible. we need a completely new everything. The brand has the nostalgia. We dont need familiar faces to carry that. We should be hiring the best and the brightest. |
Hence Bob Myers
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| Denny_Russo wrote: | | hydrohead wrote: | | Fire Pelinka and bring back Mitch!!!!!! |
I'd be okay with Mitch as long as he gets someone like Bob Myers as a consultant. Old school and new school. |
Bob Myers is mediocre at the best, he got the operate with the highest payroll in NBA history, drafts were mediocre. what do you see in this guy? also just like HC, any good GM would need high salary. the lakers are very popular, but the owner is not a billionaire, she won't pay HC and GM super high salaries. if we want to spend, we should make a serious bid for Sam pristi |
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