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Brawn13
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| Four Decade Bandwagon wrote: | | Brawn13 wrote: | | lakersfever714 wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | anth2000 wrote: | So, what do you do if you are the Lakers.
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You understand AD got his eye hurt in the first quarter.
You understand how much of an advantage that was for the Warriors.
You hope nothing is broken.
And you move on to the next game and forget about this one. |
That's exactly the loser mentality that would make you keep losing. You don't want to look at the problems but instead made up excuses about AD getting hurt. How was the game before AD got hurt? How did we do against the Warriors before when we had AD healthy?
We're gonna keep on losing until we've actually fixed what's actually broken. It's too little too late for this season anyways. |
I think it’s more along the lines of not letting the loss get you down. Don’t let the frustration of losing break your spirit. Let emotions settle and regroup and see what the next steps need to be taken to improve |
What emotions are they letting settle?
Just a bunch of players going through the motions most games. I would love to see the Lakers “ up for a big game” or playing like they have something to prove.
They simply don’t most games. |
Let’s not pretend we have this higher ceiling that we are capable of controlling with better focus and mindset. Opposing teams have something to say about the outcome too.
Like it or not, our ceiling is inferior to a lot of other teams ceilings. The best version of this team is a 7th seed IMO, and barring some miracle…we’d be a first round exit. We’re not far off from that (going from 1st round elimination to elimination in the play-in)
This season looks bad because we got extremely favorable matchups in the first 2 rounds of the playoffs and went farther than we had any business going
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Bron, AD, Ham, and Rob will be here next season. We have a good young roster that can be developed. I give Bron 1 maybe 2 more seasons to be able to play at the level he's playing. AD's showing he can be a solid second option. Dlo's playing like the player we drafted in 2015. AR's streaky but a keeper. Rui, Hayes, and Vanderbilt are solid players. Find 1 - 2 decent defensive players and we'll be fine. Our problem seems to be the same every season, injuries. Calm TFD fam. In Rob I trust. 23 is not our season, 24 will be. KEEP THE FAITH!!!
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Zillethai
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| jodeke wrote: | | Bron, AD, Ham, and Rob will be here next season. We have a good young roster that can be developed. I give Bron 1 maybe 2 more seasons to be able to play at the level he's playing. AD's showing he can be a solid second option. Dlo's playing like the player we drafted in 2015. AR's streaky but a keeper. Rui, Hayes, and Vanderbilt are solid players. Find 1 - 2 decent defensive players and we'll be fine. Our problem seems to be the same every season, injuries. Calm TFD fam. In Rob I trust. 23 is not our season, 24 will be. KEEP THE FAITH!!! |
Lakers problem is they need a legit Center. Without that, they will be a playin team again |
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Zillethai
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| TMG wrote: | I want the off season to start so that this teams issues can be adressed. The're glaring.
we have no legit perimeter defending outside of Vando/Christie.
Why on earth someone like Spencer gets minutes ahead of Christie is beyond me.
Ham has actively ruined his development despite him saying Christie will be getting a bigger role this season.
We have no real Center. AD isn't a C.
Ham is a horrible coach. Even Thibs would (bleep) play Christie as soon as he'd find out he can actually play defense.
This dude is damn near DNP his only perimeter defender every damn game.
and the funny thing is CHRISTIE HAS THE POTENTIAL TO BE A FANTASTIC 3&D PLAYER!
Precisely what this (bleep) team needs yet our coach ham sammich opts to play guys like Taurean (bleep) Prince who got absolutely cooked by Klay all game long.
It's a clownshow. |
Agree with everything above. Ham is insistent on giving Dinwiddie 20 minutes a game, yet he brings no defensive value. Christie is stuck at 8 minutes a game, and he is the best defensive guard we have. |
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jodeke
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| Zillethai wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | Bron, AD, Ham, and Rob will be here next season. We have a good young roster that can be developed. I give Bron 1 maybe 2 more seasons to be able to play at the level he's playing. AD's showing he can be a solid second option. Dlo's playing like the player we drafted in 2015. AR's streaky but a keeper. Rui, Hayes, and Vanderbilt are solid players. Find 1 - 2 decent defensive players and we'll be fine. Our problem seems to be the same every season, injuries. Calm TFD fam. In Rob I trust. 23 is not our season, 24 will be. KEEP THE FAITH!!! |
Lakers problem is they need a legit Center. Without that, they will be a playin team again |
AD is a legit C. He has accepted the role and is playing it well. Around 35min around 4 blks around 38% fg around 5 ast. These numbers are off the top of my head. He's doing his job.
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Kblo247!
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| jodeke wrote: | | Zillethai wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | Bron, AD, Ham, and Rob will be here next season. We have a good young roster that can be developed. I give Bron 1 maybe 2 more seasons to be able to play at the level he's playing. AD's showing he can be a solid second option. Dlo's playing like the player we drafted in 2015. AR's streaky but a keeper. Rui, Hayes, and Vanderbilt are solid players. Find 1 - 2 decent defensive players and we'll be fine. Our problem seems to be the same every season, injuries. Calm TFD fam. In Rob I trust. 23 is not our season, 24 will be. KEEP THE FAITH!!! |
Lakers problem is they need a legit Center. Without that, they will be a playin team again |
AD is a legit C. He has accepted the role and is playing it well. Around 35min around 4 blks around 38% fg around 5 ast. These numbers are off the top of my head. He's doing his job. |
he’s also averaging 16 points per game in the paint and ranks behind Joker and Embid in terms of post ups nightly. So he’s done that too |
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| Kblo247! wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | Zillethai wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | Bron, AD, Ham, and Rob will be here next season. We have a good young roster that can be developed. I give Bron 1 maybe 2 more seasons to be able to play at the level he's playing. AD's showing he can be a solid second option. Dlo's playing like the player we drafted in 2015. AR's streaky but a keeper. Rui, Hayes, and Vanderbilt are solid players. Find 1 - 2 decent defensive players and we'll be fine. Our problem seems to be the same every season, injuries. Calm TFD fam. In Rob I trust. 23 is not our season, 24 will be. KEEP THE FAITH!!! |
Lakers problem is they need a legit Center. Without that, they will be a playin team again |
AD is a legit C. He has accepted the role and is playing it well. Around 35min around 4 blks around 38% fg around 5 ast. These numbers are off the top of my head. He's doing his job. |
he’s also averaging 16 points per game in the paint and ranks behind Joker and Embid in terms of post ups nightly. So he’s done that too |
I think Davis’ production is more indicative of how good a player he is instead of his fitting best as a center. He needs a big body to battle in the paint with him. To take the wear and tear off his body on a nightly basis and let him roam the court as a defender and secondary offensive rebounder.
Roster will never allow it to happen due to James is only playable at PF. Even then limited in assisting Davis in the paint.
Still think Davis’ best historical comparison is Kevin Garnett. He almost always s had a legitimate center next to him. Even journeymen like Stanley Roberts, Joe Smith, Nestarovic, or Perkins were enough to free him up to maximize his skills, especially on defense.
What the Lakers continue to insist from Davis at center is a waste of his overall talents. But they just have no other options. |
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Watching the Pistons vs Heat. I had forgotten Ham was on the Detroit team that won the 2004 Larry O'Brien Trophy
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Zillethai
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| Four Decade Bandwagon wrote: | | Kblo247! wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | Zillethai wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | Bron, AD, Ham, and Rob will be here next season. We have a good young roster that can be developed. I give Bron 1 maybe 2 more seasons to be able to play at the level he's playing. AD's showing he can be a solid second option. Dlo's playing like the player we drafted in 2015. AR's streaky but a keeper. Rui, Hayes, and Vanderbilt are solid players. Find 1 - 2 decent defensive players and we'll be fine. Our problem seems to be the same every season, injuries. Calm TFD fam. In Rob I trust. 23 is not our season, 24 will be. KEEP THE FAITH!!! |
Lakers problem is they need a legit Center. Without that, they will be a playin team again |
AD is a legit C. He has accepted the role and is playing it well. Around 35min around 4 blks around 38% fg around 5 ast. These numbers are off the top of my head. He's doing his job. |
he’s also averaging 16 points per game in the paint and ranks behind Joker and Embid in terms of post ups nightly. So he’s done that too |
I think Davis’ production is more indicative of how good a player he is instead of his fitting best as a center. He needs a big body to battle in the paint with him. To take the wear and tear off his body on a nightly basis and let him roam the court as a defender and secondary offensive rebounder.
Roster will never allow it to happen due to James is only playable at PF. Even then limited in assisting Davis in the paint.
Still think Davis’ best historical comparison is Kevin Garnett. He almost always s had a legitimate center next to him. Even journeymen like Stanley Roberts, Joe Smith, Nestarovic, or Perkins were enough to free him up to maximize his skills, especially on defense.
What the Lakers continue to insist from Davis at center is a waste of his overall talents. But they just have no other options. |
Agreed.. but why do you say Lebron has to be at PF? He is traditionally a SF |
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Kblo247!
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| Four Decade Bandwagon wrote: | | Kblo247! wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | Zillethai wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | Bron, AD, Ham, and Rob will be here next season. We have a good young roster that can be developed. I give Bron 1 maybe 2 more seasons to be able to play at the level he's playing. AD's showing he can be a solid second option. Dlo's playing like the player we drafted in 2015. AR's streaky but a keeper. Rui, Hayes, and Vanderbilt are solid players. Find 1 - 2 decent defensive players and we'll be fine. Our problem seems to be the same every season, injuries. Calm TFD fam. In Rob I trust. 23 is not our season, 24 will be. KEEP THE FAITH!!! |
Lakers problem is they need a legit Center. Without that, they will be a playin team again |
AD is a legit C. He has accepted the role and is playing it well. Around 35min around 4 blks around 38% fg around 5 ast. These numbers are off the top of my head. He's doing his job. |
he’s also averaging 16 points per game in the paint and ranks behind Joker and Embid in terms of post ups nightly. So he’s done that too |
I think Davis’ production is more indicative of how good a player he is instead of his fitting best as a center. He needs a big body to battle in the paint with him. To take the wear and tear off his body on a nightly basis and let him roam the court as a defender and secondary offensive rebounder.
Roster will never allow it to happen due to James is only playable at PF. Even then limited in assisting Davis in the paint.
Still think Davis’ best historical comparison is Kevin Garnett. He almost always s had a legitimate center next to him. Even journeymen like Stanley Roberts, Joe Smith, Nestarovic, or Perkins were enough to free him up to maximize his skills, especially on defense.
What the Lakers continue to insist from Davis at center is a waste of his overall talents. But they just have no other options. |
I agree with you. KG had Perk, Sheed, Shaq, JO, Rasho, PJ all to protect him from banging. Tim had Robinson, Rasho, Oberto, Nazr, and others. AD essentially has AD to take the beating. And for all that anyone can say about him, he’s embraced it this year
The he’s not available
- He’s missed only 4 games this year. And really it’s 3 because he played 1 game that will not count as a game played
He shies away from contact
- He’s at 16 points per game in the paint which is one of the top numbers in the league, he’s top 3 in league post ups, he’s a top rebounder.
He’s lazy or a roller coaster
- He’s 9th in overall minutes played. He’s a league leader in double doubles. He’s one of the top players in the league at shot contests and deflections.
He’s not a leader
- He’s won more games on the roster without Bron this year and Bron is winless without him this year.
He really is good for someone who is playing out of position and has so many narratives against him. They need to give the man an actual big next to him and stop accommodating Bron and others like Reaves and whoever. If they aren’t going to play a team that fits him and puts him in his best spot which is the 4, then he should not get the narrative or talk about what he’s not doing as a franchise guy |
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Four Decade Bandwagon
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| Zillethai wrote: | | Four Decade Bandwagon wrote: | | Kblo247! wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | Zillethai wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | Bron, AD, Ham, and Rob will be here next season. We have a good young roster that can be developed. I give Bron 1 maybe 2 more seasons to be able to play at the level he's playing. AD's showing he can be a solid second option. Dlo's playing like the player we drafted in 2015. AR's streaky but a keeper. Rui, Hayes, and Vanderbilt are solid players. Find 1 - 2 decent defensive players and we'll be fine. Our problem seems to be the same every season, injuries. Calm TFD fam. In Rob I trust. 23 is not our season, 24 will be. KEEP THE FAITH!!! |
Lakers problem is they need a legit Center. Without that, they will be a playin team again |
AD is a legit C. He has accepted the role and is playing it well. Around 35min around 4 blks around 38% fg around 5 ast. These numbers are off the top of my head. He's doing his job. |
he’s also averaging 16 points per game in the paint and ranks behind Joker and Embid in terms of post ups nightly. So he’s done that too |
I think Davis’ production is more indicative of how good a player he is instead of his fitting best as a center. He needs a big body to battle in the paint with him. To take the wear and tear off his body on a nightly basis and let him roam the court as a defender and secondary offensive rebounder.
Roster will never allow it to happen due to James is only playable at PF. Even then limited in assisting Davis in the paint.
Still think Davis’ best historical comparison is Kevin Garnett. He almost always s had a legitimate center next to him. Even journeymen like Stanley Roberts, Joe Smith, Nestarovic, or Perkins were enough to free him up to maximize his skills, especially on defense.
What the Lakers continue to insist from Davis at center is a waste of his overall talents. But they just have no other options. |
Agreed.. but why do you say Lebron has to be at PF? He is traditionally a SF |
Mobility and energy. Foot speed just not as quick on defense as he used to be. Not as active chasing through screens or rotating out on shooters. He definitely has his moments of higher activity, just not sustained. He can still body up and use his strength in some matchups. Just too many active SFs in the league to do it nightly. At his age, mobility and current playing weight he is a PF with playmaking skills on offense.
Last couple seasons I have been surprised he hasn’t lost some weight. Dropping 20+lbs would improve his quickness and his first step on drives. Also would be easier on his legs and endurance to carry less weight as he ages.
I get it, he is an incredible physical specimen and trains that way because it is important to him. But dropping some weight seems a no brainer to me for the sake of his overall game. |
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