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PostPosted: Wed May 08, 2024 1:01 am    Post subject:

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If we're going C, Ware > Edey, IMO.

Far less concerns about how he can be used even if more questions about body of work.

Eddy doesn’t need to get much better to be really good in the league. We are seeing interior defense mean something and he provides that imho. Not my first choice but not a bad choice.


Are you seeing Minnesota destroy Jokic on the perimeter?
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manlisten wrote:
Halflife wrote:
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If we're going C, Ware > Edey, IMO.

Far less concerns about how he can be used even if more questions about body of work.

Eddy doesn’t need to get much better to be really good in the league. We are seeing interior defense mean something and he provides that imho. Not my first choice but not a bad choice.


Are you seeing Minnesota destroy Jokic on the perimeter?


Why do we need to repeat some other team? You know what seperated us from other teams in 2020..We had two big men while everynoe was tryiong tp emulate GSW. It king of was shaky in reg season but when those playoffs started..even its was bubble with alot of things going around...it was still obvious that noone could really touch us..why? thry had no answe for our bigs. Minm also has two bigs and crushing it. Why need 3 stars like Phx? how is that going for them now? Why do small ball? Where is GSW? AD can play the perimeter...but Edey on the floor too and you got a sniper? its over
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PostPosted: Wed May 08, 2024 6:38 am    Post subject:

JustaObserver wrote:
manlisten wrote:
Halflife wrote:
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If we're going C, Ware > Edey, IMO.

Far less concerns about how he can be used even if more questions about body of work.

Eddy doesn’t need to get much better to be really good in the league. We are seeing interior defense mean something and he provides that imho. Not my first choice but not a bad choice.


Are you seeing Minnesota destroy Jokic on the perimeter?


Why do we need to repeat some other team? You know what seperated us from other teams in 2020..We had two big men while everynoe was tryiong tp emulate GSW. It king of was shaky in reg season but when those playoffs started..even its was bubble with alot of things going around...it was still obvious that noone could really touch us..why? thry had no answe for our bigs. Minm also has two bigs and crushing it. Why need 3 stars like Phx? how is that going for them now? Why do small ball? Where is GSW? AD can play the perimeter...but Edey on the floor too and you got a sniper? its over

AD also had 1) greater athleticism, and 2) greater ability to stretch the floor in 2020, which is why he worked at PF. Now, you’d really need to make sure to put a shooting big next to him. That ain’t Edey
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PostPosted: Wed May 08, 2024 8:59 am    Post subject:

I feel like quality of online scouting reports have fallen off this year but here’s a good read on most prospects in case anyone wants to read about someone besides Zach Edey.

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PostPosted: Wed May 08, 2024 9:05 am    Post subject:

alleyoop wrote:
JustaObserver wrote:
manlisten wrote:
Halflife wrote:
2019 wrote:
If we're going C, Ware > Edey, IMO.

Far less concerns about how he can be used even if more questions about body of work.

Eddy doesn’t need to get much better to be really good in the league. We are seeing interior defense mean something and he provides that imho. Not my first choice but not a bad choice.


Are you seeing Minnesota destroy Jokic on the perimeter?


Why do we need to repeat some other team? You know what seperated us from other teams in 2020..We had two big men while everynoe was tryiong tp emulate GSW. It king of was shaky in reg season but when those playoffs started..even its was bubble with alot of things going around...it was still obvious that noone could really touch us..why? thry had no answe for our bigs. Minm also has two bigs and crushing it. Why need 3 stars like Phx? how is that going for them now? Why do small ball? Where is GSW? AD can play the perimeter...but Edey on the floor too and you got a sniper? its over

AD also had 1) greater athleticism, and 2) greater ability to stretch the floor in 2020, which is why he worked at PF. Now, you’d really need to make sure to put a shooting big next to him. That ain’t Edey


Exactly. The success of Minnesota and the Lakers before them was because their bigs are/were athletic and mobile. Offensively the Lakers bigs had more of a vertical spacing threat, Minnesota has two floor spacing bigs, but neither team had bigs who couldn’t move laterally.
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PostPosted: Wed May 08, 2024 9:38 am    Post subject:

manlisten wrote:
Halflife wrote:
2019 wrote:
If we're going C, Ware > Edey, IMO.

Far less concerns about how he can be used even if more questions about body of work.

Eddy doesn’t need to get much better to be really good in the league. We are seeing interior defense mean something and he provides that imho. Not my first choice but not a bad choice.


Are you seeing Minnesota destroy Jokic on the perimeter?

They are destroying the perimeter.
Again he’s not my first choice but edy can play day one and offer AD some support. Hope vandy is healthy, dump dlo for another perimeter 3d guy. Now we can get out of 1st round.
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PostPosted: Wed May 08, 2024 11:09 am    Post subject:

LakersMD wrote:
alleyoop wrote:
JustaObserver wrote:
manlisten wrote:
Halflife wrote:
2019 wrote:
If we're going C, Ware > Edey, IMO.

Far less concerns about how he can be used even if more questions about body of work.

Eddy doesn’t need to get much better to be really good in the league. We are seeing interior defense mean something and he provides that imho. Not my first choice but not a bad choice.


Are you seeing Minnesota destroy Jokic on the perimeter?


Why do we need to repeat some other team? You know what seperated us from other teams in 2020..We had two big men while everynoe was tryiong tp emulate GSW. It king of was shaky in reg season but when those playoffs started..even its was bubble with alot of things going around...it was still obvious that noone could really touch us..why? thry had no answe for our bigs. Minm also has two bigs and crushing it. Why need 3 stars like Phx? how is that going for them now? Why do small ball? Where is GSW? AD can play the perimeter...but Edey on the floor too and you got a sniper? its over

AD also had 1) greater athleticism, and 2) greater ability to stretch the floor in 2020, which is why he worked at PF. Now, you’d really need to make sure to put a shooting big next to him. That ain’t Edey


Exactly. The success of Minnesota and the Lakers before them was because their bigs are/were athletic and mobile. Offensively the Lakers bigs had more of a vertical spacing threat, Minnesota has two floor spacing bigs, but neither team had bigs who couldn’t move laterally.


It wasnt his AD barrage..It was DH bodying Jokic. If that what you said was so true..Mcgee would have continued to start.

Also can you imagine a pick and roll with LBJ and Edey or AD and Edey or let Edey post up and he finds the 3-d man? Hulk Hogan Voice.."Whatcha going to do brotha?! Whatcha going to do when that pick and roll or post runs wild on you?!!"
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PostPosted: Thu May 09, 2024 10:13 pm    Post subject:

manlisten wrote:
Halflife wrote:
2019 wrote:
If we're going C, Ware > Edey, IMO.

Far less concerns about how he can be used even if more questions about body of work.

Eddy doesn’t need to get much better to be really good in the league. We are seeing interior defense mean something and he provides that imho. Not my first choice but not a bad choice.


Are you seeing Minnesota destroy Jokic on the perimeter?


Does Jokic have AD to cover for him?
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PostPosted: Thu May 09, 2024 10:24 pm    Post subject:

Kel'el Ware is fine at the position as well, I would prefer Edey as he's the better player and more ready to contribute. But Ware has talent for sure and could do well.



You can see some of his best aspects here.

Ware's problem is mentality, he and Rui Hachimura have a lot in common in the sense that they have a tendency to not be engaged or not give effort through stretches of games. And as a center.. that's not a good trait to have. It's why his value is where it's at.

For Ware you're hoping you get a Jaxson Hayes that can shoot threes kind of player. Or a bigger Christian Wood that plays defense. Or Myles Turner, which is his upside imho.

However due to his mental lapses and hustle or lack thereof and stretches of games where he isn't really engaged or giving effort, you would worry that his downside would be a Willie Cauley-Stein type. Someone whom had all the physical gifts and talent but not the mentality or work ethic to put it all together.

So that's the gamble you take with Ware.
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PostPosted: Thu May 09, 2024 10:57 pm    Post subject:

Give me Edey, Ware, or Flipowski. I just want a (bleep) Center please!
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PostPosted: Thu May 09, 2024 10:58 pm    Post subject:

Megaton wrote:
Give me Edey, Ware, or Flipowski. I just want a (bleep) Center please!


My top 3 would be

1) Edey
2) Filpowski
3) Ware
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PostPosted: Thu May 09, 2024 10:59 pm    Post subject:

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Give me Edey, Ware, or Flipowski. I just want a (bleep) Center please!


My top 3 would be

1) Edey
2) Filpowski
3) Ware


Yves Missi should be on that list and I think both he and Ware are above Filiposki, IMO.
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PostPosted: Thu May 09, 2024 11:00 pm    Post subject:

MJST wrote:
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Give me Edey, Ware, or Flipowski. I just want a (bleep) Center please!


My top 3 would be

1) Edey
2) Filpowski
3) Ware


We think alike on that front.

I'm just tired of the uninspiring guards we keep drafting. And constantly being left with a huge hole at Center.

I also especially want to root for a homegrown Center on this team. IA that so hard to ask?
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PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2024 6:55 am    Post subject:

What about Castleton?
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PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2024 7:08 am    Post subject:

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What about Castleton?


You mean the guy that was going to play big minutes next to AD this year? /s
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PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2024 7:46 am    Post subject:

MJST wrote:
manlisten wrote:
Halflife wrote:
2019 wrote:
If we're going C, Ware > Edey, IMO.

Far less concerns about how he can be used even if more questions about body of work.

Eddy doesn’t need to get much better to be really good in the league. We are seeing interior defense mean something and he provides that imho. Not my first choice but not a bad choice.


Are you seeing Minnesota destroy Jokic on the perimeter?


Does Jokic have AD to cover for him?


So another guy AD has to cover for. And how does that work on offense with 2 guys camped in the paint?
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PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2024 8:12 am    Post subject:

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I would draft Kel'el Ware, 7 foot with a 7'7" wing span, fluid athlete that can run the floor, jump, and shoot 3s. Looks comfortable with the ball facing up and in the post. Just turned 20.

2nd choice is Isaiah Collier. A guy that is young and athletic. Can create for himself and get to the basket. Can't shoot yet.


This guy please
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PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2024 8:14 am    Post subject:

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Give me Edey, Ware, or Flipowski. I just want a (bleep) Center please!


Even where the Lakers could be drafting you go best player available. I’m not sure I trust them to find the BPA.
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PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2024 9:27 am    Post subject:

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What about Castleton?


You mean the guy that was going to play big minutes next to AD this year? /s


Yes......is it possible he continues to develop into a center that can be used to at least give 6 fouls on Jokic? Wear him out a little.
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PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2024 7:30 pm    Post subject:

venturalakersfan wrote:
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Give me Edey, Ware, or Flipowski. I just want a (bleep) Center please!


Even where the Lakers could be drafting you go best player available. I’m not sure I trust them to find the BPA.


Good thing at 17, they are.
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PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2024 7:52 pm    Post subject:

Megaton wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
Megaton wrote:
Give me Edey, Ware, or Flipowski. I just want a (bleep) Center please!


Even where the Lakers could be drafting you go best player available. I’m not sure I trust them to find the BPA.


Good thing at 17, they are.


like they did last year? lol
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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2024 7:43 am    Post subject:

I like Edey quite a bit. He's huge, has soft hands, and a good touch. Super productive big man from a major conference and those types don't tend to bust. Even if he ends up as a Hartenstein type I think he contributes right away on this team. Last year they should've taken the productive college player in Jaquez so hopefully they learned their lesson.
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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2024 11:01 am    Post subject:

Every few days I come on here, hoping for some insight that isn't just : "Edey Edey Edey Edey Edey Edey Edey Edey Edey Edey Edey Edey Edey Edey Edey Edey"
But alas, it seems this thread should just be renamed the "Zach Edey fan thread"

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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2024 2:15 pm    Post subject:

eddiejonze wrote:
Every few days I come on here, hoping for some insight that isn't just : "Edey Edey Edey Edey Edey Edey Edey Edey Edey Edey Edey Edey Edey Edey Edey Edey"
But alas, it seems this thread should just be renamed the "Zach Edey fan thread"


Man all you got to do is look back in this thread and there are videos of other players. However we NEEED a CENTER so everyone is looking at that positoin. HOWEVER our org is a bunch of IDIOTS and would like to trade it for some all star so we can be just like PHX..ummm how are they doing again? How does their future look with that IDIOT 3 ALLSTAR lineup?
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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2024 2:22 pm    Post subject:

eddiejonze wrote:
Every few days I come on here, hoping for some insight that isn't just : "Edey Edey Edey Edey Edey Edey Edey Edey Edey Edey Edey Edey Edey Edey Edey Edey"
But alas, it seems this thread should just be renamed the "Zach Edey fan thread"


Sounds good to me.

Give me Edey please.
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