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| Would you drive and trust a hands free auto |
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25% |
[ 2 ] |
| NO |
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62% |
[ 5 ] |
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12% |
[ 1 ] |
| OTHER (Explain) |
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0% |
[ 0 ] |
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jodeke
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 Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2024 10:54 am Post subject: Hands free driving |
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I have reservations about hands-free driving, not only about the system, I'm concerned with the drivers. Hands free driving is in the infant stage. How many will get behind the wheel intoxicated? How will the system handle high speeds? I inserted OTHER in the poll because the question is broad and allows personal thoughts. I'm willing to give it a try but not full trust.
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| Quote: | On Friday, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) revealed it was opening a new probe to assess whether the recall fix Tesla implemented for over 2 million cars back in December actually did enough to address safety concerns surrounding its Autopilot driver assistance system.
That recall was prompted by a previous investigation NHTSA raised in 2021 that reviewed hundreds of collisions and 13 fatalities allegedly involving Tesla’s Autopilot feature. NHTSA has now closed that same probe following Tesla’s recall notice, finding that the name “Autopilot” may “lead drivers to believe that the automation has greater capabilities than it does.”
The agency also found that Tesla’s Autopilot can discourage drivers from taking manual control of the vehicle compared to other automated driving systems because doing so deactivates Autosteer lane-centering assistance. |
https://www.theverge.com/2024/4/26/24141403/tesla-autopilot-nhtsa-investigation-recall-software-fix
| Quote: | In March 2023, a North Carolina student was stepping off a school bus when he was struck by a Tesla Model Y traveling at “highway speeds,” according to a federal investigation that published today. The Tesla driver was using Autopilot, the automaker’s advanced driver-assist feature that Elon Musk insists will eventually lead to fully autonomous cars.
The 17-year-old student who was struck was transported to a hospital by helicopter with life-threatening injuries. But what the investigation found after examining hundreds of similar crashes was a pattern of driver inattention, combined with the shortcomings of Tesla’s technology, resulting in hundreds of injuries and dozens of deaths.
Drivers using Autopilot or the system’s more advanced sibling, Full Self-Driving, “were not sufficiently engaged in the driving task,” and Tesla’s technology “did not adequately ensure that drivers maintained their attention on the driving task,” NHTSA concluded.
In total, NHTSA investigated 956 crashes, starting in January 2018 and extending all the way until August 2023. Of those crashes, some of which involved other vehicles striking the Tesla vehicle, 29 people died. There were also 211 crashes in which “the frontal plane of the Tesla struck a vehicle or obstacle in its path.” These crashes, which were often the most severe, resulted in 14 deaths and 49 injuries.
NHTSA was prompted to launch its investigation after several incidents of Tesla drivers crashing into stationary emergency vehicles parked on the side of the road. Most of these incidents took place after dark, with the software ignoring scene control measures, including warning lights, flares, cones, and an illuminated arrow board.
In its report, the agency found that Autopilot — and, in some cases, FSD — was not designed to keep the driver engaged in the task of driving. Tesla says that it warns its customers that they need to pay attention while using Autopilot and FSD, which includes keeping their hands on the wheels and eyes on the road. But NHTSA says that in many cases, drivers would become overly complacent and lose focus. And when it came time to react, it was often too late.
In 59 crashes examined by NHTSA, the agency found that Tesla drivers had enough time, “five or more seconds,” prior to crashing into another object in which to react. In 19 of those crashes, the hazard was visible for 10 or more seconds before the collision. Reviewing crash logs and data provided by Tesla, NHTSA found that drivers failed to brake or steer to avoid the hazard in a majority of the crashes analyzed.
“Crashes with no or late evasive action attempted by the driver were found across all Tesla hardware versions and crash circumstances,” NHTSA said.
NHTSA also compared Tesla’s Level 2 (L2) automation features to products available in other companies’ vehicles. Unlike other systems, Autopilot would disengage rather than allow drivers to adjust their steering. This “discourages” drivers from staying involved in the task of driving, NHTSA said. |
https://www.theverge.com/2024/4/26/24141361/tesla-autopilot-fsd-nhtsa-investigation-report-crash-death
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dont_be_a_wuss
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| I trust it plenty. But the Tesla won’t let you do it. It makes you touch the wheel at least once every 60 seconds or so. I have no problem browsing LG while the car drives itself like a Waymo. |
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BigBallerBrand
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| Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2024 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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Been enjoying the FSD beta on my model y for the last few weeks since it’s free this month. Quite amazing in terms of the potential, but nowhere need where it needs to be to be considered fully autonomous driving.
Excited where the future will take us in 5 years though
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| Quote: | The federal regulator responsible for road safety has opened yet another probe into the safety of a hands-free driver assistance system, we learned this morning. And no, it's not a system from Tesla. The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration's Office of Defects Investigation has opened a preliminary investigation into Ford's BlueCruise system, following a pair of fatal crashes, both of which occurred at night.
Ford first introduced BlueCruise in 2021. Like the similar General Motors Super Cruise, but unlike Tesla Autopilot, BlueCruise has been designed with a tightly controlled operational design domain (ODD) that only allows it to be engaged on restricted access, divided lane highways that have been lidar-mapped in advance.
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Additionally, like Super Cruise but unlike Tesla's far more dangerous system, there is an infrared gaze-tracking driver monitoring camera that will disengage the system if it determines the driver is not actually paying attention to the road.
So unlike Autopilot, drivers using BlueCruise can take their hands off the wheel, but they are still expected to keep paying attention to the road ahead, ready to take control at a moment's notice if necessary.
(That makes these so-called Level 2 assists; Mercedes-Benz has a more advanced Level 3 assist that can allow drivers to stop paying attention, but it will only operate in congested traffic jams and up to 40 mph, and then only in California or Nevada.)
Despite the safeguards of a tightly geofenced, driver-monitored ODD, BlueCruise is not foolproof. In March, the National Transportation Safety Board—which investigates crashes but, unlike NHTSA, has no regulatory authority to compel an automaker to do anything—opened an investigation into a fatal crash involving a Ford Mustang Mach-E in San Antonio, Texas, on February 24.
Now, NHTSA says it is aware of a second fatal BlueCruise crash, which, like the San Antonio incident, also happened at night. It has opened a preliminary investigation to determine if the system is defective. |
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/04/ford-bluecruise-driver-assist-under-federal-scrutiny-following-2-deaths/
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