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CRoost
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| 1995Lakers wrote: | | Honestly if D'Lo is opting out, I could see 50-50 for him coming back. If he was opting in, I would say 95%, he is gone. Losing an asset like D'Lo who is still young and could help your team as a filler PG at the very least and could be used as salary ballast for nothing is a sure way to make the team worse. By opting out, we are forced to keep him. |
We are facing a conundrum as he is an asset for us in regular season but he becomes a liability on a playoff. And no other team wants him . |
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Laker7
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| Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 7:54 am Post subject: |
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| CRoost wrote: | | 1995Lakers wrote: | | Honestly if D'Lo is opting out, I could see 50-50 for him coming back. If he was opting in, I would say 95%, he is gone. Losing an asset like D'Lo who is still young and could help your team as a filler PG at the very least and could be used as salary ballast for nothing is a sure way to make the team worse. By opting out, we are forced to keep him. |
We are facing a conundrum as he is an asset for us in regular season but he becomes a liability on a playoff. And no other team wants him . |
And there in lies the problem. No other team wants them. I’ve said it over and over again. He comes up small in big games and everyone knows it now. Two playoff series in a row and he stinks it up. No team with playoff aspirations is going to give you anything for him. And if you follow him in the media, his main concern is getting paid on his next contract. He’s not about winning he’s about getting paid and being in a big city that he can party with celebrities in. Loves it in New York and Los Angeles. Hates it anywhere else. I can’t wait till he’s gone.
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lakersfever714
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| Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 8:02 am Post subject: |
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| CRoost wrote: | | 1995Lakers wrote: | | Honestly if D'Lo is opting out, I could see 50-50 for him coming back. If he was opting in, I would say 95%, he is gone. Losing an asset like D'Lo who is still young and could help your team as a filler PG at the very least and could be used as salary ballast for nothing is a sure way to make the team worse. By opting out, we are forced to keep him. |
We are facing a conundrum as he is an asset for us in regular season but he becomes a liability on a playoff. And no other team wants him . |
Thats why no playoff bound teams would want him. Come to think of it, if he plays great in the regular season, then no tanking team would want him either if they're looking to lose.
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ThePageDude
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The OP is asking what will happen in reality NOT what should happen NOR what fans want to happen.
What will NOT happen:
- Ownership change: No, 0 signs of that plus the team is making money.
- Pelinka gone. No Jeannie doesn't have the guts or vision, she will play it safe.
- Ham gone: No, only 2 years into his contract, Pelinka won't want to lose face, plus Jeanie wouldn't want to flush more money down the coaching toilet.
- Lebron gone: Unlikely, Jeanie/Rob don't have the guts and Lebron would not make a bad business decision
What COULD happen:
- DLo gone, there will be all-round alignment on making him the scapegoat, everyone wins
- bit-players gone: all players without player options like Dinwiddie etc.
- One or more of Rui/Vando/Gabe/AR in deals, more to bring the tax-burden down then anything else. Here's where people should pray it's for a legit starter. |
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JustaObserver
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| Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 9:29 am Post subject: |
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| ThePageDude wrote: | The OP is asking what will happen in reality NOT what should happen NOR what fans want to happen.
What will NOT happen:
- Ownership change: No, 0 signs of that plus the team is making money.
- Pelinka gone. No Jeannie doesn't have the guts or vision, she will play it safe.
- Ham gone: No, only 2 years into his contract, Pelinka won't want to lose face, plus Jeanie wouldn't want to flush more money down the coaching toilet.
- Lebron gone: Unlikely, Jeanie/Rob don't have the guts and Lebron would not make a bad business decision
What COULD happen:
- DLo gone, there will be all-round alignment on making him the scapegoat, everyone wins
- bit-players gone: all players without player options like Dinwiddie etc.
- One or more of Rui/Vando/Gabe/AR in deals, more to bring the tax-burden down then anything else. Here's where people should pray it's for a legit starter. |
Wow! Somebody with a Realistic Post |
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Zillethai
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| danzag wrote: | | Hopefully Rob Pelinka |
Hes the reason for all of this mess.
The aim over the summer was to build a squad to dethrone the Nuggets. The formula was on there from the bubble on what is needed. Instead this ass clown basically brings the same team back. |
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dont_be_a_wuss
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| Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 12:51 pm Post subject: |
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| 1995Lakers wrote: | | Honestly if D'Lo is opting out, I could see 50-50 for him coming back. If he was opting in, I would say 95%, he is gone. Losing an asset like D'Lo who is still young and could help your team as a filler PG at the very least and could be used as salary ballast for nothing is a sure way to make the team worse. By opting out, we are forced to keep him. |
LeBrons body language towards DLo has been terrible. I don’t think LeGM wants him back. |
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ducasse
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| Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2024 1:28 am Post subject: |
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| If DLO leaves with nothing coming back Lakers will be in a world of hurt. They are going to need to work something out. |
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sonic the laker
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| ThePageDude wrote: | The OP is asking what will happen in reality NOT what should happen NOR what fans want to happen.
What will NOT happen:
- Ownership change: No, 0 signs of that plus the team is making money.
- Pelinka gone. No Jeannie doesn't have the guts or vision, she will play it safe.
- Ham gone: No, only 2 years into his contract, Pelinka won't want to lose face, plus Jeanie wouldn't want to flush more money down the coaching toilet.
- Lebron gone: Unlikely, Jeanie/Rob don't have the guts and Lebron would not make a bad business decision
What COULD happen:
- DLo gone, there will be all-round alignment on making him the scapegoat, everyone wins
- bit-players gone: all players without player options like Dinwiddie etc.
- One or more of Rui/Vando/Gabe/AR in deals, more to bring the tax-burden down then anything else. Here's where people should pray it's for a legit starter. |
I disagree with some of your points, as well articulated as they are.
I agree...
- That LeBron stays. He's only gone, if he wants to go.
- Pelinka's not going anywhere (and the falk he gets is unwarranted, imo). - Of course ownership isn't going anywhere. Not even sure why people bring this up as a topic.
I disagree...
- There won't be a major roster overhaul. Changes around the fringes, yes. But, the roster has shown they have talent. And, there's no available talent that you can get that upgrades the roster, for a suitable price. The Lakers don't have a lot of wiggle room, before they hit that dreaded second apron. Trading multiple quality players, for one possible star, does not make the team better. Nor, does it help you with cap relief. It just ties your money up into 3 players, as opposed to two. Only way that might work is if you get someone like Mitchell. Not Trae Young.
- Ham has to go. Granted, his first season was with a busted roster, until after the trade deadline. And, his second season was rife with injuries to key players. But, that said, he showed POOR coaching ability to maximize who he DID have. And, in showing no improvement as a HC, from his first to second season, he lost the trust of the players. And, since most of those players will likely be back next season (LeBron, AD, Austin definitely), you almost guarantee locker issues from jump. Unless all the reports/rumors about players lack of faith in Ham was false.
-DLo...that tricky. It's not really up to the Lakers whether he stays, or not. At least not iniitally. DLo has a player option. If he opts out, he's gone. IF he opts in, the Lakers COULD trade him...if they believe they can get someone better on the market. But, depite DLo's ups and downs, he 's still a qualoty player. Guys better than him aren't just lying around everywhere...
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Pelinka didn't do anything wrong.
THIS is the roster Pelinka gave to Darvin Ham
Starters:
D'Angelo Russell
Austin Reaves
Jarred Vanderbilt
LeBron James
Anthony Davis
Bench:
Spencer Dinwiddie
Gabe Vincent / Max Christie
Taurean Prince
Rui Hachimura
Christian Wood / Jaxson Hayes
This is what the roster would have looked like when healthy.
Having Dinwiddie, Prince, Hachimura and Wood coming off your bench SHOULD make you the best bench in the league. Carrying over the roster from last year with consistency gives you the starting lineup that made the WCF the previous year.
Pelinka did EXACTLY what he was supposed to do AND got us a scoring super 6th man type of player in Dinwiddie in the buyout market.
Pelinka didn't fumble this roster. Ham did. If you gave this same roster to a Coach like Spo we'd have beaten the Nuggets 4-1 in this series. On top of that we wouldn't even have been playing the Nuggets in the first round because we'd have won 50+ games during the season anyway.
On paper and with a coach that knows what they're doing, a bench of Dinwiddie, Prince, Hachimura and Wood, just with the scoring ability of Dinwiddie, Wood and Hachimura and the shooting of Prince, should have been as easy a strategy to have and allowed LeBron, Davis and our guards ample time to rest.
Ham decided to not play Wood as a 6th man scorer despite him being proven as a starter in the league.
Ham decided not to enable Dinwiddie or Vincent to be the scoring threat they've been with other teams by diminishing their roles.
Ham decided to give more offensive responsibilities to Taurean Prince and Cam Reddish and pull back on the responsibilities of players like Wood and Hachimura (early in the season).
This is all on Darvin Ham. Give any of the Top 10 Coaches in this league this exact same roster, and we're a Championship Contender and if we lead the Nuggets 150+ minutes of a series, we're winning it.
Pelinika gave us the right roster, Ham is the one whom squandered it, and what he didn't squander, injuries didn't allow it to be seen at full strength.
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deal
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Or maybe one of our divas?
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Startrout
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| I don’t believe any of them are leaving, unless it’s for a blockbuster type trade. Nor do i believe we should let any of them go. We have a team that is very good and has built get synergy together. We just need a couple of the right pieces to get to the top again. Starting over likely means years of nothing, let’s not go there. |
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Hopefully LeBron
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| Startrout wrote: | | I don’t believe any of them are leaving, unless it’s for a blockbuster type trade. Nor do i believe we should let any of them go. We have a team that is very good and has built get synergy together. We just need a couple of the right pieces to get to the top again. Starting over likely means years of nothing, let’s not go there. |
They have to.
Denver is a bench player or 2 away from being better.
Okc is full of unreal talent
Minny - Ant is him
Grizz- Ja makes a difference
SAS- probably not a factor but if they get him any help. He’s ridiculous
Mavs- they are this good with only half a season. Luka.
All ascending.
If they think running it back is the answer. They would be wrong. Every position outside of AD and Bron needs to be greatly improved just to be in the conversation.
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| Halflife wrote: | | deal wrote: | | Or maybe one of our divas? |
Just read lakers are open to drafting bronny so bron can fulfill his dream of playing with his son. This franchise is lost. |
FO has Stockholm Syndrome
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| Posted: Thu May 02, 2024 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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Lebron/TPrince/MaxC/Dinwiddie/Dlo all leaving.
These guys staying.
AD/Hayes
Rui/Wood
Vando/MaxLewis
AR/CamRed
Vincent/JHSFino
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| Halflife wrote: | | deal wrote: | | Or maybe one of our divas? |
Just read lakers are open to drafting bronny so bron can fulfill his dream of playing with his son. This franchise is lost. |
There is a difference between the Lakers hoping to draft Bronny and LeBron hoping the Lakers draft Bronny, let’s all remember that some of the teams that have been linked to LeBron in recent months have a early pick to spite the Lakers |
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| Posted: Thu May 02, 2024 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Hanging from Rafters wrote: | Lebron/TPrince/MaxC/Dinwiddie/Dlo all leaving.
These guys staying.
AD/Hayes
Rui/Wood
Vando/MaxLewis
AR/CamRed
Vincent/JHSFino |
I hope you are wrong. That's a lotto team.
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| MJST wrote: | Pelinka didn't do anything wrong.
THIS is the roster Pelinka gave to Darvin Ham
Starters:
D'Angelo Russell
Austin Reaves
Jarred Vanderbilt
LeBron James
Anthony Davis
Bench:
Spencer Dinwiddie
Gabe Vincent / Max Christie
Taurean Prince
Rui Hachimura
Christian Wood / Jaxson Hayes
This is what the roster would have looked like when healthy.
Having Dinwiddie, Prince, Hachimura and Wood coming off your bench SHOULD make you the best bench in the league. Carrying over the roster from last year with consistency gives you the starting lineup that made the WCF the previous year.
Pelinka did EXACTLY what he was supposed to do AND got us a scoring super 6th man type of player in Dinwiddie in the buyout market.
Pelinka didn't fumble this roster. Ham did. If you gave this same roster to a Coach like Spo we'd have beaten the Nuggets 4-1 in this series. On top of that we wouldn't even have been playing the Nuggets in the first round because we'd have won 50+ games during the season anyway.
On paper and with a coach that knows what they're doing, a bench of Dinwiddie, Prince, Hachimura and Wood, just with the scoring ability of Dinwiddie, Wood and Hachimura and the shooting of Prince, should have been as easy a strategy to have and allowed LeBron, Davis and our guards ample time to rest.
Ham decided to not play Wood as a 6th man scorer despite him being proven as a starter in the league.
Ham decided not to enable Dinwiddie or Vincent to be the scoring threat they've been with other teams by diminishing their roles.
Ham decided to give more offensive responsibilities to Taurean Prince and Cam Reddish and pull back on the responsibilities of players like Wood and Hachimura (early in the season).
This is all on Darvin Ham. Give any of the Top 10 Coaches in this league this exact same roster, and we're a Championship Contender and if we lead the Nuggets 150+ minutes of a series, we're winning it.
Pelinika gave us the right roster, Ham is the one whom squandered it, and what he didn't squander, injuries didn't allow it to be seen at full strength. |
A roster full of one way players and a weak rebounding team. They looked like a play in team before the season began so it’s no surprise that they were a play in team. They were either strong defensively or strong offensively but lacked the personnel to do both. That is the team that Pelinka built.
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