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 Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2024 4:00 pm Post subject: Lakers bench needs to step up |
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We're focused so much on individual players in the starting lineup and what they do or don't do. The biggest problem thus far has been the lack of bench production, especially with scorers such as Spencer Dinwiddie and Gabe Vincent on it. 0 points two games in a row is unacceptable.
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There is a series thread. I agree though aboutthe bench needingto score more. Just easier to discuss the series in 1 thread
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| Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2024 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Ham's lineups are bad and aren't doing the bench players any favors, even if you consider that they do need to play better |
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How about giving my man Max Christie some minutes?
He has earned them, he is defensively sound - see multiple efforts every time he plays.
Whole bench is struggling except Prince, what is the worst thing that can happen?
He might surprise, playoffs are always about finding that next young player to step up.
I don't know why Ham won't play him, very frustrating. |
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CamReddish
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Crazy thing is we can use what Dinwiddie is pretty good at. He can break down his defender and go downhill towards the basket and score or kick.
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| CamReddish wrote: | | Crazy thing is we can use what Dinwiddie is pretty good at. He can break down his defender and go downhill towards the basket and score or kick. |
Spencer is not pretty good at anything that's basketball related. |
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CamReddish
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| romanaztec wrote: | | CamReddish wrote: | | Crazy thing is we can use what Dinwiddie is pretty good at. He can break down his defender and go downhill towards the basket and score or kick. |
Spencer is not pretty good at anything that's basketball related. |
Lol. My bad, should have said better at doing that than the guards we have.
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Ummm...as I've been saying. The Lakers are so used to have AD carry the team during the regular season. Ham has never really involved the bench regularly so asking the bench to step up now would be asking the team to do something they're not used to.
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| romanaztec wrote: | | Spencer is not pretty good at anything that's basketball related. |
He's averaged 20.6 points and 6.8 assists in a full season. He averaged 17.3 points and 6.6 assists just last season. He's a slasher who can drive and kick. He's being utilized as a Defensive Specialist (wtf) and a spot up three point shooter (career 33.3% three point shooter). He's been utilized poorly, as has Christian Wood. But he can play. |
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Yeah I really don't understand the rotations.
If a player is struggling like Rui last game or Russell the game before, why are you not going to your bench ???
Spencer was good all year, defending and moving the ball around to find the open player.
And then you just abandon what was working that got you here?
Makes 0 sense. |
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| Guys, Dinwiddie optimization isn’t the difference between winning and losing lol. It’s a whole lot more than what we’re capable of fixing I fear…but it’s a start I guess. |
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| Brawn13 wrote: | | Guys, Dinwiddie optimization isn’t the difference between winning and losing lol. It’s a whole lot more than what we’re capable of fixing I fear…but it’s a start I guess. |
It can be. This series is that close. We will win this series on the margins. Jokic and Murray will be played to a draw by AD and Bron. |
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We know captain obvious
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| Kobefied wrote: | How about giving my man Max Christie some minutes?
He has earned them, he is defensively sound - see multiple efforts every time he plays.
Whole bench is struggling except Prince, what is the worst thing that can happen?
He might surprise, playoffs are always about finding that next young player to step up.
I don't know why Ham won't play him, very frustrating. |
How about don’t play them at all aside from Prince. And if you must play one of them, then you simply play one of Spencer or Gabe over splitting time.
It’s the damn playoffs, Bron and AD can play 45 mins in round 1. Dlo can play 40 mins in round one. AR and Rui can give 35 mins each. Prince gets 20. One of those two guards get the other time or Hayes.
He cannot do whole sell subs and play 9 in the playoffs. Phil cut rotations down to Fisher Kobe Fox Horry Shaq Shaw George or Fish Kobe Ron LO Pau Bynum Farmar for a reason even if hurt peoples feelings. You’re trying to win it all.
The thing is Ham can play Bron and AD those mins if he uses his timeouts. He didn’t use 3 timeouts the last game on national tv in the playoffs where ad space is sold and he would have gave them 12-15 mins of real time rest. Instead he chose to not use his timeout he loses at the 2 min mark. He chose to not use a challenge which is another stoppage he can force whether the call goes his way or not. He chose to not use the last two timeouts.
When he does that he wears them out and puts them in a doubled fd hole. One he doesn’t put them in position to rest and catch their breath despite knowing clearly their talent 3-5 is less than Denver’s talent 3-5 so every bit of energy you can by AD and Bron to be great is needed. Two he doesn’t break Denver rhythm and momentum by stopping the game for 5 mins at a time on tv when he could do it to them. Three he wears AD and Bron out when you tell AD in game 2
AD you got to cover for Prince Dlo Gabe Spencer
Bron you got to cover for Hayes Reaves Gabe Spencer
Just battle all the nuggets and be smaller than them, when you can freaking use every timeout and challenge you got to play AD and Bron together for 45 mins and give each of them a three minute break to end the first and third with the extended tv mandatory timeouts.
But yep he’s not Phil … I keep going back to Boston Kobe 45 mins, Artest 46 mins, Pau 42 mins, Odom 35 mins off the bench, and Fisher 30 mins after doing a split on the court and being sent right back after clearing medical |
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| lakersfever714 wrote: | | Ummm...as I've been saying. The Lakers are so used to have AD carry the team during the regular season. Ham has never really involved the bench regularly so asking the bench to step up now would be asking the team to do something they're not used to. |
Your argument is flawed because the only reason Ham can ever justify the (bleep) he did with not starting Dlo, AR, and Rui in spurts and at one point benching all of them is to give his bench time to play and prove themselves. The only point he can use to justify Spencer starting when people sat to end the year while deciding to not use Prince as a starter fill in is to get him ready. The same can be said for benching Wood for Hayes from the IST on. The same said for Gabe being added to the rotation after not playing all year.
But him deciding to use rotations he’s never used like 3 point guards, Prince, and AD or 2 point guards, Reaves, Bron and Hayes in the playoffs is also on him |
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| J.C. Smith wrote: | | romanaztec wrote: | | Spencer is not pretty good at anything that's basketball related. |
He's averaged 20.6 points and 6.8 assists in a full season. He averaged 17.3 points and 6.6 assists just last season. He's a slasher who can drive and kick. He's being utilized as a Defensive Specialist (wtf) and a spot up three point shooter (career 33.3% three point shooter). He's been utilized poorly, as has Christian Wood. But he can play. |
Exactly. All of Vincent, Dinwiddie and Christie are utilized this same way. People clamoring for Christie would have been disappointed because in these last 2 games he would've been the designated POA defender and stand-in-the-corner shooter. Sure he may have converted on a couple of 3's that Vincent/Dinwiddie missed (and likely would've gotten a rebound or two) but the scheme/role would have held him back just like it's holding back Vincent/Dinwiddie. |
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CamReddish
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| ThePageDude wrote: | | J.C. Smith wrote: | | romanaztec wrote: | | Spencer is not pretty good at anything that's basketball related. |
He's averaged 20.6 points and 6.8 assists in a full season. He averaged 17.3 points and 6.6 assists just last season. He's a slasher who can drive and kick. He's being utilized as a Defensive Specialist (wtf) and a spot up three point shooter (career 33.3% three point shooter). He's been utilized poorly, as has Christian Wood. But he can play. |
Exactly. All of Vincent, Dinwiddie and Christie are utilized this same way. People clamoring for Christie would have been disappointed because in these last 2 games he would've been the designated POA defender and stand-in-the-corner shooter. Sure he may have converted on a couple of 3's that Vincent/Dinwiddie missed (and likely would've gotten a rebound or two) but the scheme/role would have held him back just like it's holding back Vincent/Dinwiddie. |
I don't know if Christie would have converted. Dinwiddie and Gabe only have 3 shot attempts combined in the 2 games and I think Gabe has all 3. Lol
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