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cheetos82 Star Player
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 12:48 pm Post subject: |
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Seriously....I don't understand why the "journalists" are so quick to give them the rings...
......they do know the Celtics still have Doc Rivers as the coach right?.... |
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laker4life Star Player
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 12:49 pm Post subject: |
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cheetos82 wrote: | Seriously....I don't understand why the "journalists" are so quick to give them the rings...
......they do know the Celtics still have Doc Rivers as the coach right?.... |
It's not about giving them a ring. It's about contending for one.
The Celtics will contend.
Here, we are so far away that it is not even funny.
Once Kobe leaves, we will take another step back. |
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B_Rabbit1212 Star Player
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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pdtp: garnett edition. _________________ bonerkillcollective.tumblr.com - peep our art. |
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cheetos82 Star Player
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 1:12 pm Post subject: |
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"Contention" is a word used very vaguely....
Was Cleveland even considered close to "contention" last season? They got into the Finals.....
.....if somebody had a gun to your head and asked you to pick 5 teams you felt were in "contention"...would you have said Cleveland? |
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ShowtimeDynasty_24/7 Star Player
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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Shaq: Lamar Odom, Caron Butler, Brian Grant, '06 1st rounder...
KG: Al Jefferson, Gerald Green, Theo Ratliff, Ryan Gomes, Sebastian Telfair, AND 2 1st rounders... |
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Moises Star Player
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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cheetos82 wrote: | Why is Garnett #5? |
#21 is retired by the Celtics. Its Bill Sharman's number. Yes its the same Bill Sharman who led the Lakers to a 33 win streak and to the title. |
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TheTalkOfTheArch Star Player
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 1:25 pm Post subject: |
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ok NOW lock this thread.
I wanted KG like everyone else (not by givin up Odom though) but lets move on and try to get JO. (without giving up LO). _________________
Hector the Pup wrote: | Somewhere, Devean George is rubbing his hands and smiling while thinking to himself 'Now the student has become the master'. | -- kwame's "convenient" shoulder surgery |
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pjiddy Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 1:28 pm Post subject: |
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R.I.P.
KG Pipe.
2003-2007 |
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OscarWang Star Player
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 1:53 pm Post subject: It's Official: Pipe Is Over! |
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2956103
The Celtics acquired Garnett, a 10-time All-Star and the NBA MVP in 2004, from Minnesota in exchange for Al Jefferson, Ryan Gomes, Gerald Green, Theo Ratliff, Sebastian Telfair, a 2009 first-round draft pick and a return of Minnesota's conditional first-round pick previously obtained in the Ricky Davis-Wally Szczerbiak trade. _________________ "Everything negative - pressure, challenges - is all an opportunity for me to rise."
- Kobe Bryant |
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bupby2 Starting Rotation
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 2:07 pm Post subject: |
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ShowtimeDynasty_24/7 wrote: | Shaq: Lamar Odom, Caron Butler, Brian Grant, '06 1st rounder...
KG: Al Jefferson, Gerald Green, Theo Ratliff, Ryan Gomes, Sebastian Telfair, AND 2 1st rounders... |
ughh...Mitch!! |
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LakersFan_73 Starting Rotation
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 2:14 pm Post subject: |
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bupby2 wrote: | ShowtimeDynasty_24/7 wrote: | Shaq: Lamar Odom, Caron Butler, Brian Grant, '06 1st rounder...
KG: Al Jefferson, Gerald Green, Theo Ratliff, Ryan Gomes, Sebastian Telfair, AND 2 1st rounders... |
ughh...Mitch!! |
Easy on blaming Mitch. Shaq really tied his hands. |
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cinimod Star Player
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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LakersFan_73 wrote: | bupby2 wrote: | ShowtimeDynasty_24/7 wrote: | Shaq: Lamar Odom, Caron Butler, Brian Grant, '06 1st rounder...
KG: Al Jefferson, Gerald Green, Theo Ratliff, Ryan Gomes, Sebastian Telfair, AND 2 1st rounders... |
ughh...Mitch!! |
Easy on blaming Mitch. Shaq really tied his hands. |
By publicly demanding a trade or being fat, out of shape, and injury ridden for 4 years running? |
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ocho Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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LakersFan_73 wrote: | bupby2 wrote: | ShowtimeDynasty_24/7 wrote: | Shaq: Lamar Odom, Caron Butler, Brian Grant, '06 1st rounder...
KG: Al Jefferson, Gerald Green, Theo Ratliff, Ryan Gomes, Sebastian Telfair, AND 2 1st rounders... |
ughh...Mitch!! |
Easy on blaming Mitch. Shaq really tied his hands. |
kobe aint innocent either. |
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OregonLakerGuy Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 2:21 pm Post subject: |
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cinimod wrote: | LakersFan_73 wrote: | bupby2 wrote: | ShowtimeDynasty_24/7 wrote: | Shaq: Lamar Odom, Caron Butler, Brian Grant, '06 1st rounder...
KG: Al Jefferson, Gerald Green, Theo Ratliff, Ryan Gomes, Sebastian Telfair, AND 2 1st rounders... |
ughh...Mitch!! |
Easy on blaming Mitch. Shaq really tied his hands. |
By publicly demanding a trade or being fat, out of shape, and injury ridden for 4 years running? |
Both! |
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Mr. EiGhTy-OnE Star Player
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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i guess KG wasnt that thrilled about the big acquisition of Juwan Howard _________________ "When (Kobe) gets you on life support, he won't give you mouth to mouth. HE PULLS THE PLUG." -stu |
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Mr. EiGhTy-OnE Star Player
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 2:27 pm Post subject: |
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nobody showed up for the press conference. pipe still alive _________________ "When (Kobe) gets you on life support, he won't give you mouth to mouth. HE PULLS THE PLUG." -stu |
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LakerSanity Moderator
Joined: 30 Nov 2006 Posts: 33474 Location: Long Beach, California
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 2:28 pm Post subject: |
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THE_SHOES wrote: | The Celtics haven't won the tittle...
The games have to be played... Let's now see if those huge names can put it all together... They may not even be the best team in the east...
The Celts still have to deal with Bron Bron, the Pistons ofcourse, and possibly a different Knicks. They'll man handle Miami, and Indi, Chicago will still contend, and after three years together could be in the hunt...
The Celts may suddenly look invincible but, you never know what is going to happen... They could get a visit from the Lakers "mame and cripple demon" too... |
Actually I think Chicago, with another year behind them to gell, get more experienced, and the maturation of Sefolosha/Thomas, will be even better. I expect Chicago to win the East next year. I think Detroit further fades. Cleveland should be about the same. I think, as of right now, it goes like this....
East - 1. Chicago 2. Boston 3. Detroit 4. Toronto 5. Cleveland 6. Miami 7. new Jersey 8. Orlando
West - 1. Phoenix 2. San Antonio 3. Dallas 4. Utah 5. Lakers 6. Houston 7. Denver 8. Golden State
As things stand now, I predict next year it will be San Antonio v. Chicago in the NBA Finals. _________________ LakersGround's Terms of Service
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Mr. EiGhTy-OnE Star Player
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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^ chicago needed to obtain an offensive post player. i could see them going far in the playoffs, but probably not the Finals _________________ "When (Kobe) gets you on life support, he won't give you mouth to mouth. HE PULLS THE PLUG." -stu |
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Mr. EiGhTy-OnE Star Player
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 2:37 pm Post subject: |
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pierce looks like a kid on christmas _________________ "When (Kobe) gets you on life support, he won't give you mouth to mouth. HE PULLS THE PLUG." -stu |
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angrypuppy Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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Boston has a two year window. I'd say three years, but the first year will be lost on Doc's ineptitude. The payroll will test management's patience, which means Doc will probably be shown the door.
The window is a joint-probability of health and age. As soon as one of the "Big 3" either gets injured or wears down to age, the window slams shut. There aren't any promising players in the wings. _________________ We are stardust
Billion year old carbon
We are golden
Caught in the devil's bargain
And we've got to get ourselves
Back to the garden
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vtar43 Starting Rotation
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 2:41 pm Post subject: |
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please, does anybody know? Did Garnet get contract extension? or he still can opt out next year. May be we should keep this tread for another year? |
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Pappy Star Player
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 2:42 pm Post subject: |
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Mr. EiGhTy-OnE wrote: | ^ chicago needed to obtain an offensive post player. i could see them going far in the playoffs, but probably not the Finals |
Big ben will be respectable on KG, Boston has no one to defend all those quick guards. Pierce and Ray dont play defense, so thats going to be the big suprise come playoffs or finals. I think Boston has a great regular season, but who's going to guard LaBron come playoffs?
on paper Boston is top 4 in the east (not in order) with a healthy Miami not being counted out.
Detroit
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LakerSanity Moderator
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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vtar43 wrote: | please, does anybody know? Did Garnet get contract extension? or he still can opt out next year. May be we should keep this tread for another year? |
He got an extension... so he is on contract for the next five seasons.
So the deal was Ratliff, Jefferson, Green, Gomes, Telfair, and 2 1st round picks. This would be the equivalent of the Lakers sending out Kwame, McKie (s/t), Bynum, Crittenton, Ronny, Sasha, Mo, and 2 1st round picks. Boston's deal is slightly better because it takes two less players to complete, offers a draft pick that is likely lower than anything we'd offer, and Jefferson and Green are more established (thus more valuable) than Bynum and Crittenton (regardless of the long-term potential).
However, if that deal would have went down for us, we would have had a 1st unit of Fisher/Kobe/Odom/Garnett/Mihm with a second unit of Farmar/Karl/Vlad/Cook/??. I'd take Kobe/Odom/KG over Pierce/Allen/KG. _________________ LakersGround's Terms of Service
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Mr. EiGhTy-OnE Star Player
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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ainge said that he spoke with kg before the draft, is that legal? _________________ "When (Kobe) gets you on life support, he won't give you mouth to mouth. HE PULLS THE PLUG." -stu |
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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angrypuppy wrote: | Boston has a two year window. I'd say three years, but the first year will be lost on Doc's ineptitude. The payroll will test management's patience, which means Doc will probably be shown the door.
The window is a joint-probability of health and age. As soon as one of the "Big 3" either gets injured or wears down to age, the window slams shut. There aren't any promising players in the wings. |
Following your train of thought, I believe Boston will have the 2008-2009 and 2009-2010 seasons as the years in which they could really win a title. My rationale is that it will take them two offseasons to properly round out their roster to have enough complimentary pieces to be a contender. It will also take at least one year and one year of playoffs and disappointment experience for the team to gell properly. I also think Rivers could botch it all up, but I would be surprised if he is fired at this point.... unless the Celtics don't make it to at least the Conference Finals this year. Second round and I think Doc is fired.
Finally, I see only two seasons of real contention, because after that players are getting too old and I think injuries will creep in too much. KG will be 34, Ray Allen will be 35, and Paul Pierce will be 32.
In 2008-2009 and 2009-2010, I am not sure who will be the real contenders, so who knows what chances they will have. They should be at least in the hunt though. However, for next season, no way do I think they win the title. _________________ LakersGround's Terms of Service
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