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bigdog2 Starting Rotation
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 4:49 am Post subject: Jackson speaking |
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Quote: | There were other errors as well, including Sasha Vujacic's fouling Raymond Felton on a half-court heave at the end of the first quarter. Felton made only one of three free throws, slightly softening the mistake.
Jones, who was averaging 7.8 points and was recently inserted into the Bobcats' starting lineup, took some "sweet revenge," to use Jackson's words.
"We deserve that," Jackson said. "He was a player that we had no idea how good a player he was." |
If you don't know you better ask somebody. |
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Tarzan008 Star Player
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 5:02 am Post subject: |
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Its OK......we still have Luke Walton and Mckie.....
How could "WE" not know how good JJ was? |
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bigdog2 Starting Rotation
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 5:03 am Post subject: |
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Tarzan008 wrote: | Its OK......we still have Luke Walton and Mckie.....
How could "WE" not know how good JJ was? |
PJ really in LA LA Land |
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eldrunko714 Starting Rotation
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 6:23 am Post subject: |
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Tarzan008 wrote: | Its OK......we still have Luke Walton and Mckie.....
How could "WE" not know how good JJ was? |
It's Pepe Le Puke Walton and Aaron MIA McKie. |
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VonWafer&KobeBryantFa Starting Rotation
Joined: 22 Jul 2005 Posts: 763 Location: Iowa
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 6:27 am Post subject: |
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Lately I really don't think what Phil knows what to do or what he is doing. Or what Mitch is doing. |
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dadliboi Star Player
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 6:38 am Post subject: |
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Didn't know how good a player JJ was? Jones' play on the court pretty much spoke for itself. So, how these guys could not know how good he was, is a mystery to me. What a joke.
Maybe we fans should be running the team, because most of us knew what JJ brought to the table. The guy is a warrior, and we gave him up for what? A second round pick? Oh well, now you know Phil....And knowing is half the battle...GEEEEE I JOOOOE _________________ If you meet the Buddha in the lane, feed him the ball. ~Phil Jackson |
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bounty Star Player
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 6:55 am Post subject: |
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As I stated in another thread, this is a direct shot at KUP. Ultimately its PJ's job to get the best out of the GM's players. PJ is not blameless in who plays for the Lakers but WE all saw that at the very Least JJ brought effort and the occasional scoring out burst. Kup does not know how to build a team. Dismantle yes, build nope _________________ Lakers Tickets |
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Kobe2Clark Star Player
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 6:58 am Post subject: |
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It was PJ who refused to play JJ in the pre-season. Why should Mitch keep the guy around if bums like Luke are getting all his minutes? _________________ "My thirst for domination is fed only by the game. I refuse to get distracted by outside forces." - Kobe Bryant |
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dadliboi Star Player
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 6:59 am Post subject: |
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bounty wrote: | As I stated in another thread, this is a direct shot at KUP. Ultimately its PJ's job to get the best out of the GM's players. PJ is not blameless in who plays for the Lakers but WE all saw that at the very Least JJ brought effort and the occasional scoring out burst. Kup does not know how to build a team. Dismantle yes, build nope |
I wouldn't doubt that. _________________ If you meet the Buddha in the lane, feed him the ball. ~Phil Jackson |
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dadamookie Starting Rotation
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 7:00 am Post subject: |
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JJ is the exact opposite of Luke. Athletic, long, decent jump shot, decent defense, but low basketball IQ.
Good to know that one worked out for us. You know, because Luke is "flourishing" now that Phil is back. |
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dadliboi Star Player
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 7:02 am Post subject: |
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Kobe2Lamar wrote: | It was PJ who refused to play JJ in the pre-season. Why should Mitch keep the guy around if bums like Luke are getting all his minutes? |
Maybe Phil made that decision based on what he was told about JJ. _________________ If you meet the Buddha in the lane, feed him the ball. ~Phil Jackson |
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expertla Starting Rotation
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 7:09 am Post subject: |
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Phil Jackson could not have possibly made a statement like that. Could he?
I mean there was ONE GUY comming off the bench and consistantly making plays last year. ONE GUY. Auuuuhhhh Phil. That was JJ! |
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golden1 Star Player
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 8:33 am Post subject: |
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When they traded JJ I was like ugh, why did they do that? Now we need his offense badly, like the original poster said, "You need to ask somebody." Ugh........... |
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tw-lakbfan Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 8:34 am Post subject: |
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We as fans knew how good JJ was. |
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Sage_10 Star Player
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 8:46 am Post subject: |
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JJ is a solid scorer and defender off the bench. The best thing about him though is that he bought energy with him everytime he played. And that is what the Lakers are sorely missing. They've got to get Rony in the game. |
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Pappy Star Player
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 9:07 am Post subject: |
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could be more to all this? during an interview last year on KCAL, Jeanie was asked (before Phil made a decision to come back) if her and PJ watched games togather at home and what he thought of the players the Lakers had assembled. I remember jeanie making a point of how Phil really liked JJ (as he was the one player she singled out in the interview) at that time I thought JJ was safe and I was relived.
it could be that Phil went with his triangle "savey" players during camp in trying to create stability from the start and JJ wasnt going tp provide that?...in any event, I agree with the opinion that someone is passing the buck, or making an excuse, or slappin someones face? Phil does look a bit ignorant in his response! Phil's documented blindness regarding slava, George, Luke, and Cook, probably allowed him to think the team would be better under his guidance and didnt think we'd need JJ's spark?
It does still boggle ones mind that Frank Hamblin was the head coach last year and saw JJ first hand, yet being an assistant coach this year, he failed to tell phil how JJ could help the team?....something else is definetly happening here, or these guys are all a bunch of freakin idiots!
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venturalakersfan Retired Number
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 9:09 am Post subject: |
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At least the Lakers got something for JJ. If not for the trade, they would have got nothing when he left as a FA. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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bambam Star Player
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 10:36 am Post subject: Re: Jackson speaking |
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bigdog2 wrote: | "We deserve that," Jackson said. "He was a player that we had no idea how good a player he was." |
If you don't know you better ask somebody.[/quote]
was there video of him saying that?
i kinda get the idea he was being sarcastic. |
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msb212 Star Player
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 11:30 am Post subject: Re: Jackson speaking |
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bambam wrote: | bigdog2 wrote: | "We deserve that," Jackson said. "He was a player that we had no idea how good a player he was." |
If you don't know you better ask somebody. |
was there video of him saying that?
i kinda get the idea he was being sarcastic.[/quote]
YUP:
Quote: | Jackson had poked fun at the Lakers' trade of Jumaine Jones for a future second-round pick before the season, saying it wasn't a "trade" if the Lakers got no player in return. On Friday night, Jackson offered a sarcastic reaction to Jones' former teammates allowing him a career-high 31-point game:
"He was a guy we had no idea how good a player he was, and we gave him up to Charlotte. And no one practiced against him for a whole year last year. And so obviously it was sweet revenge for him. We know what kind of player Jumaine is." |
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OdomX2 Star Player
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 11:38 am Post subject: |
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This was a salary dump guys. The Lakers never gave this guy a look. Jones was the second best Laker LAST year, but the Lakers could dump him for 2nd round draft pick and save some money....apparently what the Lakers are best at these days. |
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msb212 Star Player
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 12:22 pm Post subject: |
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OdomX2 wrote: | This was a salary dump guys. The Lakers never gave this guy a look. Jones was the second best Laker LAST year, but the Lakers could dump him for 2nd round draft pick and save some money....apparently what the Lakers are best at these days. |
that's just silly. We had 1400 small forwards, and no pgs. we cleared roster space so we could sign some players, and got a pick in anticipation of the 07 plan. had nothng whatsoever to do with salary. |
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dubaholic1 Star Player
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 12:31 pm Post subject: |
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laron profit filled the hole that JJ left quite nicely. had profit not gone down with that injury we would not be having this conversation. |
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bambam Star Player
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 12:56 pm Post subject: |
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msb212 wrote: | OdomX2 wrote: | This was a salary dump guys. The Lakers never gave this guy a look. Jones was the second best Laker LAST year, but the Lakers could dump him for 2nd round draft pick and save some money....apparently what the Lakers are best at these days. |
that's just silly. We had 1400 small forwards, and no pgs. we cleared roster space so we could sign some players, and got a pick in anticipation of the 07 plan. had nothng whatsoever to do with salary. |
dont let facts get in the way of odomx2s useless jargon.. |
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sodapoppenski Star Player
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 1:29 pm Post subject: |
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dadliboi wrote: | bounty wrote: | As I stated in another thread, this is a direct shot at KUP. Ultimately its PJ's job to get the best out of the GM's players. PJ is not blameless in who plays for the Lakers but WE all saw that at the very Least JJ brought effort and the occasional scoring out burst. Kup does not know how to build a team. Dismantle yes, build nope |
I wouldn't doubt that. |
If there's one thing about Phil, almost everything he ever says has an agenda to it.
His agena with that comment, I happen to agree, was to nudge Mitch.
Now that doesn't mean he hates Mitch as a GM or even directly thinks giving
up JJ was a mistake.
I think more likely it's a nudge to Mitch saying "hey, get me more help around Kobe."
Just a hunch on my part, but that's how I read it. |
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targetman Star Player
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 2:44 pm Post subject: |
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Well, now that I read the rest of Jackson's comments, it sounds like a jab at the players. "We practiced against him all last year but we had no idea how good he was." That is saying that Kobe, George, Mihm, and Luke should have had an idea of what Jones could do. _________________ Hope for the best. Prepare for the worst. |
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