Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2018 3:49 pm Post subject: is Bob Dylan legit
I mean I know his song is number 1 on Rolling Stone magazine's list of the top 500 songs but then again it can't be a coincidence that the song they chose for number 1 has their name in the song so I mean that list can't be trusted, obviously. And don't give me that whole they named their magazine after that song crap because 1) doubtful and 2) that doesn't take away the bias.
I do like that song though I've just never really gotten into Dylan. Is he one of those only-good-because-of-impact-on-later-musicians type of guys (like the Beatles) or are his songs actually legit good? _________________ one dog goes that way the other dog goes the other way
In my opinion, Bob Dylan is the greatest niche artist of all time. The problem is that, among music snobs like the folks at RS, whether you profess adoration for Dylan is a litmus test for whether you’re cool. While Dylan did some truly great work, if his niche isn’t your cup of tea, there’s nothing wrong with you.
"Is he legit?" is quite a silly question for someone with his body of work. Ya like what ya like and if ya don't ya don't. For me personally his music has meant an awful lot to me.
Btw if you're wondering if Bob Dylan is legit and believe the Beatles are only good as an influence, I do question how familiar you are with either artist. _________________ 14-5-3-12
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Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2018 4:31 pm Post subject:
Hector the Pup wrote:
Great lyricist, but there are many songs that I just cant listen to him sing. Others singing them though? Amazing.
Yep. No doubt one of the greatest songwriters of his generation. _________________ You thought God was an architect, now you know
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Great lyricist, but there are many songs that I just cant listen to him sing. Others singing them though? Amazing.
All Along the Watchtower jumps to mind. So does The Mighty Quinn and Mr. Tambourine Man.
Ballad of a Thin Man by the Grass Roots, It Ain't Me Me Babe by the Turtles, All I Really Want to Do by Cher and the Byrds, The Byrds, You Ain't Going Nowhere, It's All Over Now Baby Blue by a gob of people, including Van Morrison, I Shall Be Released by the Band and Joan Baez--who also did Love is a Four Letter Word, and so many, many more. _________________ "A metronome keeps time by using a Ringo"
Yes, easily the greatest song writer of our lifetimes.
People complain about his voice but I personally find a lot of character in it. A song, to me, is infinitely more meaningful if the person who wrote it is is also singing it, even if tbeir voice is not classically brilliant.
Yes, easily the greatest song writer of our lifetimes.
People complain about his voice but I personally find a lot of character in it. A song, to me, is infinitely more meaningful if the person who wrote it is is also singing it, even if tbeir voice is not classically brilliant.
His songwriting between about 1964 and 1975 was miraculous. Even his voice sounded pretty good. But then things began to fall apart. Even his better songwriting efforts in the 80s, 90s, and 2000s are hard to listen to because of the voice. I last saw him in concert in 2001 and it was pretty bad. I can't imagine how it is these days, but he's touring and having a nice time.
So yeah, he's legit. _________________ ¡Hala Madrid!
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Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2018 7:09 pm Post subject:
Modern Times is worth a listen if you haven’t Wilt. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel
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Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2018 7:23 pm Post subject:
ocho wrote:
HOF Rookie wrote:
Yes, easily the greatest song writer of our lifetimes.
People complain about his voice but I personally find a lot of character in it. A song, to me, is infinitely more meaningful if the person who wrote it is is also singing it, even if tbeir voice is not classically brilliant.
I love his voice.
It works much better for some of his songs than others. There are some that the voice can be a bit grating to the ears. But on "Lay, Lady Lay", it is absolutely gorgeous. _________________ You thought God was an architect, now you know
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Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2018 8:03 pm Post subject: Re: is Bob Dylan legit
PHILosophize wrote:
I mean I know his song is number 1 on Rolling Stone magazine's list of the top 500 songs but then again it can't be a coincidence that the song they chose for number 1 has their name in the song so I mean that list can't be trusted, obviously. And don't give me that whole they named their magazine after that song crap because 1) doubtful and 2) that doesn't take away the bias.
I do like that song though I've just never really gotten into Dylan. Is he one of those only-good-because-of-impact-on-later-musicians type of guys (like the Beatles) or are his songs actually legit good?
Muddy Waters wrote a song called Rollin' Stone in the 1950s. And yes Rolling Stone certainly LOVE them some Bob Dylan. I think Dylan is a great songsmith and poet. Albeit not the greatest musician nor performer. Many of his notable songs were taken to another level (musically) by the artists that interpreted them (imo).
Nice quote from RS's "100 Greatest Singers" article: "Bob Dylan did what very, very few singers ever do. He changed popular singing. And we have been living in a world shaped by Dylan's singing ever since. Almost no one sings like Elvis Presley anymore. Hundreds try to sing like Dylan. When Sam Cooke played Dylan for the young Bobby Womack, Womack said he didn't understand it. Cooke explained that from now on, it's not going to be about how pretty the voice is. It's going to be about believing that the voice is telling the truth."
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Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2018 8:54 pm Post subject:
LarryCoon wrote:
Nice quote from RS's "100 Greatest Singers" article: "Bob Dylan did what very, very few singers ever do. He changed popular singing. And we have been living in a world shaped by Dylan's singing ever since. Almost no one sings like Elvis Presley anymore. Hundreds try to sing like Dylan. When Sam Cooke played Dylan for the young Bobby Womack, Womack said he didn't understand it. Cooke explained that from now on, it's not going to be about how pretty the voice is. It's going to be about believing that the voice is telling the truth."
Brilliant quote. And it reminds me a great deal of John Prine's songs. He'd be the first to say his voice was never pretty. Neither in his younger days, nor after his throat cancer turned it gravely (though he will say that the deeper tone he has as a result is more in what his range should have been). His voice isn't pretty, but when you hear him sing his songs, it resonates because even when you know he's just spinning a tale, it's absolutely the "truth". _________________ You thought God was an architect, now you know
He’s something like a pipe bomb ready to blow
And everything you built that’s all for show
goes up in flames
In 24 frames
Nice quote from RS's "100 Greatest Singers" article: "Bob Dylan did what very, very few singers ever do. He changed popular singing. And we have been living in a world shaped by Dylan's singing ever since. Almost no one sings like Elvis Presley anymore. Hundreds try to sing like Dylan. When Sam Cooke played Dylan for the young Bobby Womack, Womack said he didn't understand it. Cooke explained that from now on, it's not going to be about how pretty the voice is. It's going to be about believing that the voice is telling the truth."
Brilliant quote. And it reminds me a great deal of John Prine's songs. He'd be the first to say his voice was never pretty. Neither in his younger days, nor after his throat cancer turned it gravely (though he will say that the deeper tone he has as a result is more in what his range should have been). His voice isn't pretty, but when you hear him sing his songs, it resonates because even when you know he's just spinning a tale, it's absolutely the "truth".
John Prine was a mailman in Westchester IL just south of where I grew up so he was a local legend at my high school...he went to Proviso East about 10 years before I went to Proviso West so we got a steady diet of his music in class
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