New York Prosecutors Expected to Charge Manafort, Guarding Against Trump Pardon
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Any charges brought by Mr. Vance’s office would likely be challenged on double jeopardy grounds. New York state law includes stronger protections than those provided by the United States Constitution, and Mr. Manafort’s defense team is likely to challenge state charges. But prosecutors in Mr. Vance’s office have expressed confidence that they would prevail, people with knowledge of the matter said.
Like Lucy and the football. All this talk is most likely Team Trump trying to put pressure on Mueller and/or manipulating the press and public expectations.
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Mike Levine Verified account @MLevineReports
A DOJ official says that Mueller’s final report will NOT be delivered to the Justice Department today or anytime next week.
Like Lucy and the football. All this talk is most likely Team Trump trying to put pressure on Mueller and/or manipulating the press and public expectations.
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Mike Levine Verified account @MLevineReports
A DOJ official says that Mueller’s final report will NOT be delivered to the Justice Department today or anytime next week.
Of course it isn't. How often does Mueller or anyone from his camp release any information to the public, much less in advance?
Like Lucy and the football. All this talk is most likely Team Trump trying to put pressure on Mueller and/or manipulating the press and public expectations.
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Mike Levine Verified account @MLevineReports
A DOJ official says that Mueller’s final report will NOT be delivered to the Justice Department today or anytime next week.
on MSNBC they just said there will be no report just indictments
Like Lucy and the football. All this talk is most likely Team Trump trying to put pressure on Mueller and/or manipulating the press and public expectations.
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Mike Levine Verified account @MLevineReports
A DOJ official says that Mueller’s final report will NOT be delivered to the Justice Department today or anytime next week.
on MSNBC they just said there will be no report just indictments
Some folks like Marcy Wheeler think so. I can't see the SCO not releasing a report on obstruction, though, since that may not involve any indictments. _________________ Under New Management
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Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2019 5:13 pm Post subject:
ChefLinda wrote:
I think they mean there's no report for now. But there eventually will be a report.
Correct, because it is a requirement. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel
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Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2019 5:33 pm Post subject:
Dladi Vidac wrote:
ribeye wrote:
New York Prosecutors Expected to Charge Manafort, Guarding Against Trump Pardon
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Any charges brought by Mr. Vance’s office would likely be challenged on double jeopardy grounds. New York state law includes stronger protections than those provided by the United States Constitution, and Mr. Manafort’s defense team is likely to challenge state charges. But prosecutors in Mr. Vance’s office have expressed confidence that they would prevail, people with knowledge of the matter said.
I think they mean there's no report for now. But there eventually will be a report.
Correct, because it is a requirement.
What they were saying is the report will be confidential and that for the public there will not be a detailed report that the indictments will tell the story...here's the discussion
This is a moment of great peril for our democracy. Our country is deeply divided. Our national discourse has become coarse, indeed, poisonous. Disunity and dysfunction have paralyzed Congress.
And while our attention is focused inward, the world spins on, new authoritarian regimes are born, old rivals spread their pernicious ideologies, and the space for freedom-loving peoples begins to contract violently. At last week’s Munich Security Conference, the prevailing sentiment among our closest allies is that the United States can no longer be counted on to champion liberal democracy or defend the world order we built.
For the past two years, we have examined Russia’s interference in the 2016 election and its attempts to influence the 2018 midterms. Moscow’s effort to undermine our democracy was spectacularly successful in inflaming racial, ethnic and other divides in our society and turning American against American.
But the attack on our democracy had its limits. Russian President Vladimir Putin could not lead us to distrust our own intelligence agencies or the FBI. He could not cause us to view our own free press as an enemy of the people. He could not undermine the independence of the Justice Department or denigrate judges. Only we could do that to ourselves. Although many forces have contributed to the decline in public confidence in our institutions, one force stands out as an accelerant, like gas on a fire. And try as some of us might to avoid invoking the arsonist’s name, we must say it.
I speak, of course, of our president, Donald Trump.
The president has just declared a national emergency to subvert the will of Congress and appropriate billions of dollars for a border wall that Congress has explicitly refused to fund. Whether you support the border wall or oppose it, you should be deeply troubled by the president’s intent to obtain it through a plainly unconstitutional abuse of power.
To my Republican colleagues:When the president attacked the independence of the Justice Department by intervening in a case in which he is implicated, you did not speak out. When he attacked the press as the enemy of the people, you again were silent. When he targeted the judiciary, labeling judges and decisions he didn’t like as illegitimate, we heard not a word. And now he comes for Congress, the first branch of government, seeking to strip it of its greatest power, that of the purse.
Many of you have acknowledged your deep misgivings about the president in quiet conversations over the past two years. You have bemoaned his lack of decency, character and integrity. You have deplored his fundamental inability to tell the truth. But for reasons that are all too easy to comprehend, you have chosen to keep your misgivings and your rising alarm private.
That must end. The time for silent disagreement is over. You must speak out.
This is a moment of great peril for our democracy. Our country is deeply divided. Our national discourse has become coarse, indeed, poisonous. Disunity and dysfunction have paralyzed Congress.
And while our attention is focused inward, the world spins on, new authoritarian regimes are born, old rivals spread their pernicious ideologies, and the space for freedom-loving peoples begins to contract violently. At last week’s Munich Security Conference, the prevailing sentiment among our closest allies is that the United States can no longer be counted on to champion liberal democracy or defend the world order we built.
For the past two years, we have examined Russia’s interference in the 2016 election and its attempts to influence the 2018 midterms. Moscow’s effort to undermine our democracy was spectacularly successful in inflaming racial, ethnic and other divides in our society and turning American against American.
But the attack on our democracy had its limits. Russian President Vladimir Putin could not lead us to distrust our own intelligence agencies or the FBI. He could not cause us to view our own free press as an enemy of the people. He could not undermine the independence of the Justice Department or denigrate judges. Only we could do that to ourselves. Although many forces have contributed to the decline in public confidence in our institutions, one force stands out as an accelerant, like gas on a fire. And try as some of us might to avoid invoking the arsonist’s name, we must say it.
I speak, of course, of our president, Donald Trump.
The president has just declared a national emergency to subvert the will of Congress and appropriate billions of dollars for a border wall that Congress has explicitly refused to fund. Whether you support the border wall or oppose it, you should be deeply troubled by the president’s intent to obtain it through a plainly unconstitutional abuse of power.
To my Republican colleagues:When the president attacked the independence of the Justice Department by intervening in a case in which he is implicated, you did not speak out. When he attacked the press as the enemy of the people, you again were silent. When he targeted the judiciary, labeling judges and decisions he didn’t like as illegitimate, we heard not a word. And now he comes for Congress, the first branch of government, seeking to strip it of its greatest power, that of the purse.
Many of you have acknowledged your deep misgivings about the president in quiet conversations over the past two years. You have bemoaned his lack of decency, character and integrity. You have deplored his fundamental inability to tell the truth. But for reasons that are all too easy to comprehend, you have chosen to keep your misgivings and your rising alarm private.
That must end. The time for silent disagreement is over. You must speak out.
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Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2019 7:32 am Post subject:
I continue to hope that there is some line that Trump can’t cross, where some Republicans will stand up and say, enough. That line doesn’t appear to exist, which is so disturbing.
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Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2019 10:27 am Post subject:
Has Dianne Feinstein forgotten how to be a politician? You’d think she’s never encountered a group of children in her office advocating for an issue. Regardless of whether she agrees with the Green New Deal, be a politician. Smile, thank them for their advocacy, act sincere. “I hear you, you are the future, I’m going to take a closer look at what you are advocating for, the environment and the future of our planet is important to me.” Something like that.
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Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2019 11:01 am Post subject:
Surfitall wrote:
Has Dianne Feinstein forgotten how to be a politician? You’d think she’s never encountered a group of children in her office advocating for an issue. Regardless of whether she agrees with the Green New Deal, be a politician. Smile, thank them for their advocacy, act sincere. “I hear you, you are the future, I’m going to take a closer look at what you are advocating for, the environment and the future of our planet is important to me.” Something like that.
Yes. That video was stunningly embarrassing for her and a great insight as to why her time in office needs to end. _________________ You thought God was an architect, now you know
He’s something like a pipe bomb ready to blow
And everything you built that’s all for show
goes up in flames
In 24 frames
For those, like myself, who do not have a crystal ball to know what is being talked about (above) regarding DiFi, here is the video, the long version that is not edited.
I have a number of reactions of this, but I'll just say that while the short video, in particular, makes DiFi out to be out of touch, the longer one shows that while DiFi could/should have softened her comments after being clearly caught of guard, she did spend quite a bit of time, about 15 minutes, for an impromptu visit when she had another appointment, and instead of saying what the children wanted to hear, she gave the children a great lesson in how congress works, as opposed to pure idealism.
On the whole, I'll take an honest, realistic approach to the pure politician any day. _________________ "A metronome keeps time by using a Ringo"
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Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2019 12:41 pm Post subject:
ribeye wrote:
For those, like myself, who do not have a crystal ball to know what is being talked about (above) regarding DiFi, here is the video, the long version that is not edited.
I have a number of reactions of this, but I'll just say that while the short video, in particular, makes DiFi out to be out of touch, the longer one shows that while DiFi could/should have softened her comments after being clearly caught of guard, she did spend quite a bit of time, about 15 minutes, for an impromptu visit when she had another appointment, and instead of saying what the children wanted to hear, she gave the children a great lesson in how congress works, as opposed to pure idealism.
On the whole, I'll take an honest, realistic approach to the pure politician any day.
Yes she gave a great lesson in politics but she maybe she could have done what they asked, vote YES. One young lady was very well spoken. _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.
For those, like myself, who do not have a crystal ball to know what is being talked about (above) regarding DiFi, here is the video, the long version that is not edited.
I have a number of reactions of this, but I'll just say that while the short video, in particular, makes DiFi out to be out of touch, the longer one shows that while DiFi could/should have softened her comments after being clearly caught of guard, she did spend quite a bit of time, about 15 minutes, for an impromptu visit when she had another appointment, and instead of saying what the children wanted to hear, she gave the children a great lesson in how congress works, as opposed to pure idealism.
On the whole, I'll take an honest, realistic approach to the pure politician any day.
Yes she gave a great lesson in politics but she maybe she could have done what they asked, vote YES. One young lady was very well spoken.
She said she may vote yes even though she doesn't think it is a good resolution. I can think of about 53 other offices, and this big ol' place on Pennsylvania Avenue where the real problems lies regarding global warming/climate change. _________________ "A metronome keeps time by using a Ringo"
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Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2019 1:09 pm Post subject:
DELETED WRONG THREAD jodeke _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.
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Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2019 1:55 pm Post subject:
ribeye wrote:
For those, like myself, who do not have a crystal ball to know what is being talked about (above) regarding DiFi, here is the video, the long version that is not edited.
I have a number of reactions of this, but I'll just say that while the short video, in particular, makes DiFi out to be out of touch, the longer one shows that while DiFi could/should have softened her comments after being clearly caught of guard, she did spend quite a bit of time, about 15 minutes, for an impromptu visit when she had another appointment, and instead of saying what the children wanted to hear, she gave the children a great lesson in how congress works, as opposed to pure idealism.
On the whole, I'll take an honest, realistic approach to the pure politician any day.
Sorry, but's exactly the type of BS platitude that Trump voters hung their hat on. That's not to say you are a Trump voter, just the comment is similar to the "justification" they used.
Feinstein is actually the epitome of "pure politician". And she wasn't being "realistic". She was being needlessly dismissive and condescending - which is very Trumpian as well. And she did so to kids. Her response wasn't to collection of adults who were pushing for legislation she disagreed with. Her response was to a group of kids who were asking an elected leader to consider their pleas to protect their future. Rather than a miserably failed "civics" lesson, a lesson in civility would have been much more appropriate. The only "honesty" involved was in her revealing her true colors. And those colors were not admirable - out of touch, arrogant and unreceptive.
The video(s) are just part of her history that reveal her to be exactly the dinosaur politician we need to clear out of the system. _________________ You thought God was an architect, now you know
He’s something like a pipe bomb ready to blow
And everything you built that’s all for show
goes up in flames
In 24 frames
For those, like myself, who do not have a crystal ball to know what is being talked about (above) regarding DiFi, here is the video, the long version that is not edited.
I have a number of reactions of this, but I'll just say that while the short video, in particular, makes DiFi out to be out of touch, the longer one shows that while DiFi could/should have softened her comments after being clearly caught of guard, she did spend quite a bit of time, about 15 minutes, for an impromptu visit when she had another appointment, and instead of saying what the children wanted to hear, she gave the children a great lesson in how congress works, as opposed to pure idealism.
On the whole, I'll take an honest, realistic approach to the pure politician any day.
Sorry, but's exactly the type of BS platitude that Trump voters hung their hat on. That's not to say you are a Trump voter, just the comment is similar to the "justification" they used.
Feinstein is actually the epitome of "pure politician". And she wasn't being "realistic". She was being needlessly dismissive and condescending - which is very Trumpian as well. And she did so to kids. Her response wasn't to collection of adults who were pushing for legislation she disagreed with. Her response was to a group of kids who were asking an elected leader to consider their pleas to protect their future. Rather than a miserably failed "civics" lesson, a lesson in civility would have been much more appropriate. The only "honesty" involved was in her revealing her true colors. And those colors were not admirable - out of touch, arrogant and unreceptive.
The video(s) are just part of her history that reveal her to be exactly the dinosaur politician we need to clear out of the system.
If you are comparing Trump or the Trump voter to my statement that I will take an honest, realistic approach to the pure politician any day, we may as well stop trying to reach each other. _________________ "A metronome keeps time by using a Ringo"
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Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2019 7:21 pm Post subject:
ribeye wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
ribeye wrote:
For those, like myself, who do not have a crystal ball to know what is being talked about (above) regarding DiFi, here is the video, the long version that is not edited.
I have a number of reactions of this, but I'll just say that while the short video, in particular, makes DiFi out to be out of touch, the longer one shows that while DiFi could/should have softened her comments after being clearly caught of guard, she did spend quite a bit of time, about 15 minutes, for an impromptu visit when she had another appointment, and instead of saying what the children wanted to hear, she gave the children a great lesson in how congress works, as opposed to pure idealism.
On the whole, I'll take an honest, realistic approach to the pure politician any day.
Sorry, but's exactly the type of BS platitude that Trump voters hung their hat on. That's not to say you are a Trump voter, just the comment is similar to the "justification" they used.
Feinstein is actually the epitome of "pure politician". And she wasn't being "realistic". She was being needlessly dismissive and condescending - which is very Trumpian as well. And she did so to kids. Her response wasn't to collection of adults who were pushing for legislation she disagreed with. Her response was to a group of kids who were asking an elected leader to consider their pleas to protect their future. Rather than a miserably failed "civics" lesson, a lesson in civility would have been much more appropriate. The only "honesty" involved was in her revealing her true colors. And those colors were not admirable - out of touch, arrogant and unreceptive.
The video(s) are just part of her history that reveal her to be exactly the dinosaur politician we need to clear out of the system.
If you are comparing Trump or the Trump voter to my statement that I will take an honest, realistic approach to the pure politician any day, we may as well stop trying to reach each other.
DiFi: “You know what’s interesting about this group? Is I’ve been doing this for 30 years. I know what I’m doing. You come in here and say it has to be my way or the highway. I don’t respond to that. I’ve gotten elected, I just ran. I was elected by almost a million vote plurality. And I know what I’m doing. So you know, maybe people should listen a little bit.”
Kid: I hear what you’re saying, but we’re the people who voted for you. You’re supposed to listen to us, that’s your job.”
DiFi: How old are you?
Kid: I’m 16, I can’t vote.
DiFi: Well you didn’t vote for me.
There is a difference between being honest and realistic, and being mean to a bunch of kids. If you can’t see that this is a PR problem, just scan every major news site right now and look at the coverage it’s getting. Not a winning look.
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Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:23 pm Post subject:
DiFi is the epitome of the old school Senator as Baron. With all the intransigent arrogance that implies. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel
DiFi is the epitome of the old school Senator as Baron. With all the intransigent arrogance that implies.
She is certainly not the perfect senator but I would take her over, at least, 60 of the other senators representing the states. Again, don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good, and why not focus on a better target and attack those in the pockets, and doing the bidding, of big oil.
With Donald Trump as president, you are concerned about HER arrogance?
This is another non-story of the day where some insist on dividing the party. That is not how to get rid of the menace and leader of the Republican Party. _________________ "A metronome keeps time by using a Ringo"
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