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vanexelent Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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The Suns have had a top 5 draft pick in 4 of the last 6 seasons and will do so again this off season. They are garbage. There is no ideal way to succeed. You just need special players. |
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Bard207 Star Player
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Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 4:04 am Post subject: |
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vanexelent wrote: | The Suns have had a top 5 draft pick in 4 of the last 6 seasons and will do so again this off season. They are garbage. There is no ideal way to succeed. You just need special players. |
Last Fall, they dumped their GM and maybe some of their scouting staff as well. There are no guarantees that the next GM will do better, but at least they got rid of a GM who wasn't performing up to expectations. |
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LakerLanny Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2019 6:31 am Post subject: |
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I see it as good strategy, this isn't Hoosiers. You aren't winning anything with 5 Jimmy Chitwood's. _________________ Love, Laker Lanny |
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Bol Star Player
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Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2019 1:21 pm Post subject: |
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You win with the best players. There isn't any great way to get them because there are so few of them, so you just have to do the best you can with whatever means are available. Draft depends on a lot of luck, not only the lottery but also picking the right player and having superstar caliber players available in that particular draft, which there often aren't. Trades depend on the agreement of the other team, which of course is always hard to get especially when they're giving up a great player. Free agency is probably the best way because it's not dependent on luck or the consent of an adversary, but of course you still need the free agent to want to join your team. Bottom line, it's just really improbable to put together a title team and we've been incredibly fortunate that the Lakers were able to do it repeatedly. |
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Wino Star Player
Joined: 07 Jun 2002 Posts: 9674 Location: San Diego
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Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2019 12:25 pm Post subject: |
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activeverb wrote: | KBH wrote: | Wino wrote: | activeverb wrote: | Wino wrote: | Aeneas Hunter wrote: | A professional front office explores all options. You accumulate assets, then either keep them or trade them for better assets. You make prudent free agent signings. It's not a question of being patient, per se. It's a question of not being rash and imprudent.
When was the last time someone truly built a championship team through free agency? The closest was the Heat, but they already had Dwyane Wade. The Cavs already had Irving and traded for Love. The Warriors already had Curry and Thompson. We got Shaq as a free agent, but we won nothing until Kobe developed into a star. |
And we traded for Kobe. Don't forget that! |
That's a technicality, since Charlotte traded him for us. I would consider Kobe to be a draft pick for us, just as I would consider Lebron going to Miami to be a free agent even though technically he was a trade. |
Well, it's convenient for your argument but it is not the truth. He was traded here because they wanted Divac. It's NOT like they simply gifted him to us, Kobe threatened to sit out and we offered a reasonable trade package.
A trade is a trade, don't white wash it to fit your agenda. |
We told them to draft Kobe for us, though. It's not about fitting agendas. For all intents and purposes we traded Divac for the 13th pick and we drafted Kobe. The order in which it happened doesn't really matter. |
That's exactly what I meant.
I consider Kobe to be a draft pick because Charlotte drafted him for us and then instantly sent him our way.
If Charlotte had been able to trade us the pick, and we could have said his name at the draft ourselves, he would officially be a draft pick rather than a trade. But as you said, the order doesn't matter, except as a technicality.
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A lot these mechanisms overlap.
We we able to trade for Kareem and Wilt because they threatened to come here as free agents.
We got the draft rights to Magic and Worthy through trades.
I've seen Worthy on lists of the best draft picks in Laker history. and lists of the best trades in Laker history. |
Kobe was still a trade!! You guys are making this stuff up to fit your agenda. Charlotte had the option of keeping him, but they did not like him saying he would go play in Europe, they did not like their other draft options and they liked Divac and felt it was a solid fallback option for themselves. SO THEY DRAFTED KOBE FOR THE LAKERS AND TRADED HIM FOR DIVACS. _________________ Never argue with stupid people! They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience!! - Twain |
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jodeke Retired Number
Joined: 17 Nov 2007 Posts: 67744 Location: In a world where admitting to not knowing something is considered a great way to learn.
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Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2019 2:11 pm Post subject: |
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LakersRGolden wrote: | How many NBA champs in the last 40 years didn't draft one of their top two stars? |
Do the 2004 Detroit Piston qualify? _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves. |
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