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Aeneas Hunter Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2019 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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Oh, and just to be clear, the jury rejected the “sudden passion” argument. |
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DaMuleRules Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2019 5:45 am Post subject: |
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Aeneas Hunter wrote: | DaMuleRules wrote: | Never, ever, did I think that a guilty verdict on the murder charge would happen. Though it is richly deserved.
Unfortunately, I think that an appeal of that verdict will occur. I don't know what the legal possibilities are there, whether an appeal could force a lesser charge or whether it would mean there'd have to be a new trial. Perhaps AH (or someone else with legal expertise) could advise. |
The exclusion of the expert will be one issue. Otherwise, I don’t know of any appealable issues. Dallas (like Houston) had a blue wave, so the court of appeals is not full of pro-police types. She will have trouble selling mistake of fact as a matter of law. I would say that her prospects are poor.
I am on a Facebook group for Texas lawyers, and a couple friends of mine are high profile, well connected criminal defense lawyers. If I hear an educated discussion of the appellate issues, I’ll come back and report. |
Thank you. _________________ You thought God was an architect, now you know
He’s something like a pipe bomb ready to blow
And everything you built that’s all for show
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2019 5:58 am Post subject: |
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I'm still awestruck by the grace and humility of Botham's brother. I couldn't have done that.
And who are we to criticize him for choosing to forgive. In this hellish and nightmarish scenario, that was the rare light of goodness.
10 years is too little, especially with parole at 5 years (which she will likely get). How the police handled the investigation makes you worried about the timeless protection of the blue code/line.
Rest in peace Botham. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2019 6:10 am Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | I'm still awestruck by the grace and humility of Botham's brother. I couldn't have done that.
And who are we to criticize him for choosing to forgive. In this hellish and nightmarish scenario, that was the rare light of goodness.
10 years is too little, especially with parole at 5 years (which she will likely get). How the police handled the investigation makes you worried about the timeless protection of the blue code/line.
Rest in peace Botham. |
what's the comp for sentencing (similar cases)? |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2019 6:27 am Post subject: |
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governator wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | I'm still awestruck by the grace and humility of Botham's brother. I couldn't have done that.
And who are we to criticize him for choosing to forgive. In this hellish and nightmarish scenario, that was the rare light of goodness.
10 years is too little, especially with parole at 5 years (which she will likely get). How the police handled the investigation makes you worried about the timeless protection of the blue code/line.
Rest in peace Botham. |
what's the comp for sentencing (similar cases)? |
Not sure. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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Aeneas Hunter Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2019 7:45 am Post subject: |
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governator wrote: | what's the comp for sentencing (similar cases)? |
I don’t know that there has ever been a similar case. You would need to analogize to other police shooting cases or to other cases with failed self-defense claims, but sentencing is individualized. I would say that the sentence is on the lower end of what was expected, but it was not the minimum. |
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Aussiesuede Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2019 8:54 am Post subject: |
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10 years. Is it adequate justice? Probably not. Is it a potential sign of things moving in the right direction? Hopefully so. _________________ I'm On point, On task, On message, and Off drugs. A Streetwise Smart Bomb, Out of rehab and In denial. Over the Top, On the edge, Under the Radar, and In Control. Behind the 8 ball, Ahead of the Curve and I've got a Love Child who sends me Hate mail. |
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Omar Little Moderator
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Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2019 10:03 am Post subject: |
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Sign of the times that I was just relieved to get a conviction. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2019 10:42 am Post subject: |
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Omar Little wrote: | Sign of the times that I was just relieved to get a conviction. |
Seriously. I was worried for a sec too.
10 years isn't nearly enough.
If she wasn't a cop she would be serving easily double. (let alone being a white woman). _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | Botham’s brother. Wow. |
The video caused me to mist. Not something I think I could have done. Brandt Jean is a special man.
Emotions run high in and outside of courtroom after Amber Guyger sentenced to 10 years for Botham Jean's murder
LINK _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves. |
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Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2019 10:48 am Post subject: |
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I say she should blame the force for not recognizing she was afraid of people and possibly afraid of her gun. Why afraid? She held it as an item that murders people not an item that can gain the authority needed to protect the peace.
Her social media memes were what made me wonder if there was possible intent/premeditation.. but the sexting before arriving home wanting to go further led me to realize, or have hope, it was her fear and trigger finger that killed him
I agree with Omar.. after Costco I was sure this person would get an odd probation for her "accident"
10 years is enough to get current cops attention.. they will be found guilty and sentenced. |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2019 10:51 am Post subject: |
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jodeke wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Botham’s brother. Wow. |
The video caused me to mist. Not something I think I could have done. Brandt Jean is a special man.
Emotions run high in and outside of courtroom after Amber Guyger sentenced to 10 years for Botham Jean's murder
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You have the Trump white evangelical version of Christianity.
Then you have Botham Jean's version.
Which is more compelling? _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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ContagiousInspiration Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2019 10:56 am Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | jodeke wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Botham’s brother. Wow. |
The video caused me to mist. Not something I think I could have done. Brandt Jean is a special man.
Emotions run high in and outside of courtroom after Amber Guyger sentenced to 10 years for Botham Jean's murder
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You have the Trump white evangelical version of Christianity.
Then you have Botham Jean's version.
Which is more compelling? |
Trey here.. US Imperialism and Capitalism seek to crush Jeans version.
*I find it very interesting that the sight of such true compassion and oneness can bring most any human to the point of holding back tears. Is it something in our species that was supposed to be more like that and we cry because we know we have that power too but refuse to express it?
Botham looked and was said to be an Incredibly Big Generous Soul, We can all say a prayer of Thanks that Botham has siblings from His beautiful parents. |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2019 11:06 am Post subject: |
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Botham's family said it best today.
You can forgive.
But there must be consequences. 10 years is a light consequence for what she did but that's what the jury decided. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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DaMuleRules Retired Number
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Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2019 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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BOTHAM JEAN
NEIGHBOR WHO TESTIFIED SHOT DEAD
... Days After Guilty Verdict
Hmmmm . . . _________________ You thought God was an architect, now you know
He’s something like a pipe bomb ready to blow
And everything you built that’s all for show
goes up in flames
In 24 frames
Jason Isbell
Man, do those lyrics resonate right now |
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ContagiousInspiration Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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Tell some high level gangbanger you will lose the evidence for his case or whatever if his boys take out Joshua Brown |
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Huey Lewis & The News Star Player
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adkindo Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2019 8:55 am Post subject: |
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Huey Lewis & The News wrote: | Weebayed |
Wee-Bey lived? In Prison? |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | Omar Little wrote: | Sign of the times that I was just relieved to get a conviction. |
Seriously. I was worried for a sec too.
10 years isn't nearly enough.
If she wasn't a cop she would be serving easily double. (let alone being a white woman). |
I thought she was gonna get manslaughter. But admittedly I don't know the details of the case. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better” |
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adkindo wrote: | Huey Lewis & The News wrote: | Weebayed |
Wee-Bey lived? In Prison? |
Weebay killed a state's witness |
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Anyone know where Amber Guyger will do her time? _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves. |
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Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2019 6:37 am Post subject: |
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I still think there is a possibility she somehow planned this killing? Heartless throughout the whole episode.
Quote: | Guyger claimed to have performed CPR on Jean, but the lack of blood showed she had not, prosecutors said. The 911 call appeared to back up that evidence. |
If nothing else this sentence is a warning to police officers to respect human life. This chick had serious emotional problems.. Extreme disregard for human life
>>This officer knew she just unloaded two point blank death rounds into the mans heart. She was more worried about losing her job....
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https://www.wsbtv.com/news/deep-viral/amber-guyger-trial-botham-jean-was-bent-over-or-lying-on-back-when-shot-medical-examiner-testifies/991058837
"I (expletive) up," the second stated.
Jurors also heard the Guyger's 911 call.
"I'm an off-duty officer," a breathless Guyger said in the recording. "I thought I was in my apartment and I shot a guy thinking he was, thinking it was my apartment."
"You shot someone?" the dispatcher asked.
"Yes, I thought it was my apartment," Guyger responded. "I'm (expletive)."
As Jean lay dying, Guyger appeared more concerned about the repercussions she would face.
"Get up man," Guyger could be heard telling Jean in the recording. "Hey, come on, man."
The dispatcher reassured Guyger that help was on the way. "I know, but I'm …," she said, sounding near tears. "I'm gonna lose my job."
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That statement is enough to make sure she does time^^ That brain with a gun and badge is a serious threat to YOUR Safety... |
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Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2019 8:25 am Post subject: |
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Ted wrote: | adkindo wrote: | Huey Lewis & The News wrote: | Weebayed |
Wee-Bey lived? In Prison? |
Weebay killed a state's witness |
ok, was looking at from wrong angle |
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hmm. I dont feel sympathy for her.... even if it was a pure accident. people do things that are accidental all the time and they have to go to prison. it was her fault all the way. |
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