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Baron Von Humongous Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 10:32 am Post subject: |
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The best defense he played tonight was smacking Kyrie in the face in the first minute. _________________ Under New Management |
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RI Laker Star Player
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Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:43 am Post subject: |
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Not worried about Rondo (or AB) this season. |
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Baron Von Humongous Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:45 am Post subject: |
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RI Laker wrote: | Not worried about Rondo (or AB) this season. |
Famous last words. _________________ Under New Management |
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RI Laker Star Player
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Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:54 am Post subject: |
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Baron Von Humongous wrote: | RI Laker wrote: | Not worried about Rondo (or AB) this season. |
Famous last words. |
Well hopefully you have to eat crow. |
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Baron Von Humongous Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 12:03 pm Post subject: |
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RI Laker wrote: | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | RI Laker wrote: | Not worried about Rondo (or AB) this season. |
Famous last words. |
Well hopefully you have to eat crow. |
Hopefully, though have you eaten crow on Magic's disruptive incompetence as a front office executive yet? _________________ Under New Management |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 12:13 pm Post subject: |
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What? Why are people supposed to eat crow?
Rondo still mucks up the spacing for AD/LBJ. Watch post possessions of AD and see whose defender is doubling down.
Hint. His name rhymes with Hondo.
In any case, if Rondo has to play rotation minutes, it should NEVER be with LBJ. That duo does not work IMO (and it's not LBJ's fault). _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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RI Laker Star Player
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Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 12:21 pm Post subject: |
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Rational people who make judgements after two exhibition games (ie AB and whether he should be in the rotation) sometimes need a spoonful. |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 12:25 pm Post subject: |
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RI Laker wrote: | Rational people who make judgements after two exhibition games (ie AB and whether he should be in the rotation) sometimes need a spoonful. |
Aren't you making judgments about Rondo though?
The spacing issues will always be there. Teams are letting him shoot and doubling down on AD/LBJ.
That's why you need to let him play a PnR game with AD when LBJ is not on the floor. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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pjiddy Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 12:27 pm Post subject: |
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RI Laker wrote: | Rational people who make judgements after two exhibition games (ie AB and whether he should be in the rotation) sometimes need a spoonful. |
We have more than a two-preseason game sample of Rondo in a Laker uniform and an entire career of spacing issues. |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 12:28 pm Post subject: |
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pjiddy wrote: | RI Laker wrote: | Rational people who make judgements after two exhibition games (ie AB and whether he should be in the rotation) sometimes need a spoonful. |
We have more than a two-preseason game sample of Rondo in a Laker uniform and an entire career of spacing issues. |
Right. We know what he can and can't do.
PnR operator. Fine.
Defender (now), absolutely not.
Floor spacer? Nope. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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RI Laker Star Player
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Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 12:48 pm Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | pjiddy wrote: | RI Laker wrote: | Rational people who make judgements after two exhibition games (ie AB and whether he should be in the rotation) sometimes need a spoonful. |
We have more than a two-preseason game sample of Rondo in a Laker uniform and an entire career of spacing issues. |
Right. We know what he can and can't do.
PnR operator. Fine.
Defender (now), absolutely not.
Floor spacer? Nope. |
Which is why I said I am not worried about him (we all know what he is). Frank will put him in a position to be successful. He will be a calming veteran presence when needed. More importantly, his game will come in handy when we need to rest LJ (because our lack of distributors). I was more focused on someone questioning whether AB should be in the rotation after 2 exhibition games. If AB fails us (I do not think he will), we could be in trouble. |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 12:49 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah we need AB to become at least an average level player, which is looking tough at this point. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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Baron Von Humongous Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 12:50 pm Post subject: |
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RI Laker wrote: | Rational people who make judgements after two exhibition games (ie AB and whether he should be in the rotation) sometimes need a spoonful. |
If AB doesn't play better, he won't be in the rotation ≠ AB shouldn't be in the rotation after only two preseason games. _________________ Under New Management |
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kikanga Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 1:41 pm Post subject: |
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If Rondo continues to play like this, he deserves some rotation minutes. If he doesn't we have plenty of other options. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better” |
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LandsbergerRules Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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Baron Von Humongous wrote: | The best defense he played tonight was smacking Kyrie in the face in the first minute. |
Lol yeah. I'm thinking it was on purpose. _________________ "Chick lived and breathed Lakers basketball…but he was also fair and objective and called every game the way it was played."
-from Chick: His Unpublished Memoirs and the Memories of Those Who Knew Him |
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LandsbergerRules Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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Baron Von Humongous wrote: |
Based solely on these two games, Avery Bradley is the one who should be out of the rotation. |
Start AC Fresh over all these guys. _________________ "Chick lived and breathed Lakers basketball…but he was also fair and objective and called every game the way it was played."
-from Chick: His Unpublished Memoirs and the Memories of Those Who Knew Him |
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pjiddy Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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kikanga wrote: | If Rondo continues to play like this, he deserves some rotation minutes. If he doesn't we have plenty of other options. |
Continues....to create poor spacing?
Rondo is not gonna shoot 2 for 5 from 3 all season. He will have more ohfers or nofers and teams will dare him to shoot them all season and for the most part be rewarded. The value of the three in this NBA is not occasionally making them, it's in consistently making the defense treat you as a threat. |
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dj1337 Starting Rotation
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Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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pjiddy wrote: | kikanga wrote: | If Rondo continues to play like this, he deserves some rotation minutes. If he doesn't we have plenty of other options. |
Continues....to create poor spacing?
Rondo is not gonna shoot 2 for 5 from 3 all season. He will have more ohfers or nofers and teams will dare him to shoot them all season and for the most part be rewarded. The value of the three in this NBA is not occasionally making them, it's in consistently making the defense treat you as a threat. |
Why do people keep saying rondo cant shoot, obv hes not curry but if you look at last 4years hes over 35% combined which is the league average. This is not the rondo from celtics days when kobe would leave him wide open.
edit: I obv dont want him playing a lot either but its because hes no longer a good defender. |
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pio2u Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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dj1337 wrote: | pjiddy wrote: | kikanga wrote: | If Rondo continues to play like this, he deserves some rotation minutes. If he doesn't we have plenty of other options. |
Continues....to create poor spacing?
Rondo is not gonna shoot 2 for 5 from 3 all season. He will have more ohfers or nofers and teams will dare him to shoot them all season and for the most part be rewarded. The value of the three in this NBA is not occasionally making them, it's in consistently making the defense treat you as a threat. |
Why do people keep saying rondo cant shoot, obv hes not curry but if you look at last 4years hes over 35% combined which is the league average. This is not the rondo from celtics days when kobe would leave him wide open.
edit: I obv dont want him playing a lot either but its because hes no longer a good defender. |
Agreed; his shooting has improved; unfortunately his defense is still below average. |
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kikanga Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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pjiddy wrote: | kikanga wrote: | If Rondo continues to play like this, he deserves some rotation minutes. If he doesn't we have plenty of other options. |
Continues....to create poor spacing?
Rondo is not gonna shoot 2 for 5 from 3 all season. He will have more ohfers or nofers and teams will dare him to shoot them all season and for the most part be rewarded. The value of the three in this NBA is not occasionally making them, it's in consistently making the defense treat you as a threat. |
When he starts hurting the team with his play. I’ll agree. Till then play him. You don’t punish players if they’re playing well and the team is playing well with him on the floor.
Teams are cheating off of him, and right now he’s making them pay for it. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better”
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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It’s not about 3%. It’s about the gravity he creates (or doesn’t). His man routinely doubles the post guys. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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kikanga Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | It’s not about 3%. It’s about the gravity he creates (or doesn’t). His man routinely doubles the post guys. |
And in response he’s shooting well. Scoring off a double team is good for the team.
If/when he regresses. Pull him. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better” |
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kikanga Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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It's not like I'm pro-Rondo even if he hurts the team. And my thoughts aren't Rondo specific. I'm down to play even... Dudley if he is balling out. And I'm down to bench anybody not named LBJ and Brow if they're playing bad. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better” |
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pio2u Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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kikanga wrote: | It's not like I'm pro-Rondo even if he hurts the team. And my thoughts aren't Rondo specific. I'm down to play even... Dudley if he is balling out. And I'm down to bench anybody not named LBJ and Brow if they're playing bad. |
The hot-hand will rule the day, whoever it may be. |
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Baron Von Humongous Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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kikanga wrote: | It's not like I'm pro-Rondo even if he hurts the team. And my thoughts aren't Rondo specific. I'm down to play even... Dudley if he is balling out. And I'm down to bench anybody not named LBJ and Brow if they're playing bad. |
The argument is that every shot Rondo takes without either one or both of Lebron and AD touching the ball first is a win for the opposition. Jared Dudley isn't going to dribble the ball up and initiate the offense with Lebron on the floor. But it is nice if Rondo can at least be a functional shooter when left wide open because the Lakers don't really have many other options.
I'm wondering if any NBA team has a worse PG rotation than the Lakers this season. _________________ Under New Management |
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