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Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 9:43 pm Post subject:
LakerMindLA wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
Are people factoring in defense? Bc AD is a DPOY level player.
I can remember basically 1 NBA champion in the last 30 years that didn't have an elite, go to #1 option.
You can build a championship team without a player like AD. You can't build a championship team without a clear #1 scoring option.
AD needs to proves he demands a double team and can carry a team with his scoring.
Don’t we still have Lebron? Has Ingram proven to be anything that you described? Are you trying to say that his defense doesn’t make any difference to you? I guess I don’t know what point you’re trying to make.
AD is like KG that he can set the anchor the team defensively but he ain’t that type of go to guy on offense and imposed his will down the stretch like Duncan did.
BI is like Paul Pierce that he can do everything but does not quite the impact like a franchise change does but he can be number 1 on offense if you have someone like Gobert or AD setting the tone defensively.
It’s like smile now and cry later when we made the move. But the end game for us is always winning it all and gotta roll the dice when you have a chance.
KG was a pretty dominant number 1 guy in Minnesota.
Bottom like is AD needs spacing to operate, it is vogels job to create spacing for him.
So was AD with Pels but can’t rely on both when their teams needed the buckets the most. They can make a clutch stop defensively though.
KG was considerably more talented offensively. This is why KG is like a top 30 player all time though
Nah KG relied more on his midrange jumpshots just like AD. You can argue that KG can muster a better shot but both have no go to moves that looks automatic especially when the game is on the line. With AD, I think he can still develop that spin move with an off hand hook finish which will come handy in the playoff. AD is just on his prime right now . Let’s wait until he’s done but I agree about KG an easy argument on top 30.
AD is like KG that he can set the anchor the team defensively but he ain’t that type of go to guy on offense and imposed his will down the stretch like Duncan did.
BI is like Paul Pierce that he can do everything but does not quite the impact like a franchise change does but he can be number 1 on offense if you have someone like Gobert or AD setting the tone defensively.
It’s like smile now and cry later when we made the move. But the end game for us is always winning it all and gotta roll the dice when you have a chance.
KG was a pretty dominant number 1 guy in Minnesota.
Bottom like is AD needs spacing to operate, it is vogels job to create spacing for him.
So was AD with Pels but can’t rely on both when their teams needed the buckets the most. They can make a clutch stop defensively though.
KG was considerably more talented offensively. This is why KG is like a top 30 player all time though
Nah KG relied more on his midrange jumpshots just like AD. You can argue that KG can muster a better shot but both have no go to moves that looks automatic especially when the game is on the line. With AD, I think he can still develop that spin move with an off hand hook finish which will come handy in the playoff. AD is just on his prime right now . Let’s wait until he’s done but I agree about KG an easy argument on top 30.
KG got more buckets from his own doing, from what i can remember - his fadeaway was awesome.. AD started off the season without being able to hit a midrange j; but it got better...still i wouldn't say it was KG level though
Are people factoring in defense? Bc AD is a DPOY level player.
I can remember basically 1 NBA champion in the last 30 years that didn't have an elite, go to #1 option.
You can build a championship team without a player like AD. You can't build a championship team without a clear #1 scoring option.
AD needs to proves he demands a double team and can carry a team with his scoring.
Don’t we still have Lebron? Has Ingram proven to be anything that you described? Are you trying to say that his defense doesn’t make any difference to you? I guess I don’t know what point you’re trying to make.
Which is why you trade Ingram for AD - you already have your #1 option.
Without Lebron, I’d take my shot building a team around the Ingram I see this year over AD because he has shown more potential to be a go to scorer, which is basically a necessity on a championship team.
AD is a potential DPOY, but you can build a team with great defense without a DPOY.
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Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 10:32 pm Post subject:
LakerMindLA wrote:
Beir32 wrote:
LakerMindLA wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
Are people factoring in defense? Bc AD is a DPOY level player.
I can remember basically 1 NBA champion in the last 30 years that didn't have an elite, go to #1 option.
You can build a championship team without a player like AD. You can't build a championship team without a clear #1 scoring option.
AD needs to proves he demands a double team and can carry a team with his scoring.
Don’t we still have Lebron? Has Ingram proven to be anything that you described? Are you trying to say that his defense doesn’t make any difference to you? I guess I don’t know what point you’re trying to make.
Which is why you trade Ingram for AD - you already have your #1 option.
Without Lebron, I’d take my shot building a team around the Ingram I see this year over AD because he has shown more potential to be a go to scorer, which is basically a necessity on a championship team.
AD is a potential DPOY, but you can build a team with great defense without a DPOY.
Are people factoring in defense? Bc AD is a DPOY level player.
I can remember basically 1 NBA champion in the last 30 years that didn't have an elite, go to #1 option.
You can build a championship team without a player like AD. You can't build a championship team without a clear #1 scoring option.
AD needs to proves he demands a double team and can carry a team with his scoring.
Don’t we still have Lebron? Has Ingram proven to be anything that you described? Are you trying to say that his defense doesn’t make any difference to you? I guess I don’t know what point you’re trying to make.
Which is why you trade Ingram for AD - you already have your #1 option.
Without Lebron, I’d take my shot building a team around the Ingram I see this year over AD because he has shown more potential to be a go to scorer, which is basically a necessity on a championship team.
AD is a potential DPOY, but you can build a team with great defense without a DPOY.
Maybe I’m misunderstanding the question. Player for player, Davis the answer.
Player for multiple players and picks is not so clear cut for me.
And having James is awesome... if he helps win a championship. Lakers don’t and it will be kind of miserable watching him decline over the next couple seasons and retiring as Ingram starts hitting his prime and collecting Allstar accolades for the next decade.
Are people factoring in defense? Bc AD is a DPOY level player.
I can remember basically 1 NBA champion in the last 30 years that didn't have an elite, go to #1 option.
You can build a championship team without a player like AD. You can't build a championship team without a clear #1 scoring option.
AD needs to proves he demands a double team and can carry a team with his scoring.
Don’t we still have Lebron? Has Ingram proven to be anything that you described? Are you trying to say that his defense doesn’t make any difference to you? I guess I don’t know what point you’re trying to make.
Which is why you trade Ingram for AD - you already have your #1 option.
Without Lebron, I’d take my shot building a team around the Ingram I see this year over AD because he has shown more potential to be a go to scorer, which is basically a necessity on a championship team.
AD is a potential DPOY, but you can build a team with great defense without a DPOY.
Maybe I’m misunderstanding the question. Player for player, Davis the answer.
Player for multiple players and picks is not so clear cut for me.
And having James is awesome... if he helps win a championship. Lakers don’t and it will be kind of miserable watching him decline over the next couple seasons and retiring as Ingram starts hitting his prime and collecting Allstar accolades for the next decade.
That would be rough _________________ Mamba Made Moments Meticulously Magnificent
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Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 10:57 pm Post subject:
Four Decade Bandwagon wrote:
LakerMindLA wrote:
Beir32 wrote:
LakerMindLA wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
Are people factoring in defense? Bc AD is a DPOY level player.
I can remember basically 1 NBA champion in the last 30 years that didn't have an elite, go to #1 option.
You can build a championship team without a player like AD. You can't build a championship team without a clear #1 scoring option.
AD needs to proves he demands a double team and can carry a team with his scoring.
Don’t we still have Lebron? Has Ingram proven to be anything that you described? Are you trying to say that his defense doesn’t make any difference to you? I guess I don’t know what point you’re trying to make.
Which is why you trade Ingram for AD - you already have your #1 option.
Without Lebron, I’d take my shot building a team around the Ingram I see this year over AD because he has shown more potential to be a go to scorer, which is basically a necessity on a championship team.
AD is a potential DPOY, but you can build a team with great defense without a DPOY.
Maybe I’m misunderstanding the question. Player for player, Davis the answer.
Player for multiple players and picks is not so clear cut for me.
And having James is awesome... if he helps win a championship. Lakers don’t and it will be kind of miserable watching him decline over the next couple seasons and retiring as Ingram starts hitting his prime and collecting Allstar accolades for the next decade.
We’re the Los Angeles Lakers and we’ll still have Anthony Davis. I’ll bet you a shiny new nickel that some really good players are gonna want to come play basketball here.
The Ingram/Ball/#4 pick trade for AD is going to be one we talk about a lot in the future. So much depends on winning the championship this year. Unlike the Raptors and Kawhi, we gave up pretty much a decade of a potential future for this one shot (we really have to hope AD re-signs with us regardless of our playoff success).
if AD re-signs the FO will get a lot of credit and we'll start trying to build this team into something across the next 5 years, 3 of which will be after LeBron is gone and we start scheming for Giannis.
If AD goes elsewhere, the LeBron retirement tour starts that season. And we'll have nothing but another 7 years in the lottery. As we watch Russell, Ingram, Randle, Lonzo all start coming into their own further and owning up the league. And knowing that getting rid of all of them only resulted in us getting "1 year" in the playoffs, and nothing to show for it.
It would be one of those "talked about things" and the Lakers FO in retrospect will be looked at as a circus and a joke and the resignation of Jeanie will start to pick up steam along with fans wanting Pelinka fired. And every analyst will say "they could have waited one season for Anthony Davis" and ignore that they were screaming that BI, and Lonzo, and Russell wouldn't amount to anything in the league, weren't leaders, or were busts.
As it stands right now, Ingram is better than Ben Simmons, and that is something I never thought I'd be saying at this stage in their careers.
So essentially everything.... everything... the Lakers entire future as a franchise for the next 7 years.. rests upon Davis re-signing. If he doesn't... all the youngsters will grow into stars, while we are a lottery bound team hoping to get as lucky to draft such talent draft after draft after draft again. Cause if you think about it getting Randle, Russell, Ingram and Lonzo... was VERY lucky to hit the mark on 4 in a row. Especially considering where some of the other high end picks around them, have wound up. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk
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Well, duh. But come back to reality where things like the second scenario aren't possible.
And AD is going nowhere. A blind squirrel can see that with his eyes closed. _________________ “Christ did not die to forgive sinners who go on treasuring anything above seeing and savoring God. And people who would be happy in heaven if Christ were not there, will not be there."
- John Piper
Well, duh. But come back to reality where things like the second scenario aren't possible.
And AD is going nowhere. A blind squirrel can see that with his eyes closed.
Till he signs that max contract for us, there's absolutely no guarantee of that. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk
Well, duh. But come back to reality where things like the second scenario aren't possible.
And AD is going nowhere. A blind squirrel can see that with his eyes closed.
It would have been possible if we just waited for AD in free agency, right?
Or would the salary not have worked because of Ingram’s contract scenario? _________________ Mamba Made Moments Meticulously Magnificent
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Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 11:38 pm Post subject:
MJST wrote:
If given the choice between
AD/LeBron/Kuzma/Rondo/KCP
and
AD/LeBron/Ingram/Lonzo
I'd pick the latter.
Agreed. The question isn’t AD vs Ingram— it’s AD vs Kuzma. The answer is quite clear IMO. AD is an MVP and DPOY level player whereas Kuzma might maybe be a sixth man of the year type player down the line. AD is vastly superior in virtually every conceivable manner. _________________ Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:
Agreed. The question isn’t AD vs Ingram— it’s AD vs Kuzma. The answer is quite clear IMO. AD is an MVP and DPOY level player whereas Kuzma might maybe be a sixth man of the year type player down the line. AD is vastly superior in virtually every conceivable manner.
LOL _________________ “Christ did not die to forgive sinners who go on treasuring anything above seeing and savoring God. And people who would be happy in heaven if Christ were not there, will not be there."
- John Piper
Well, duh. But come back to reality where things like the second scenario aren't possible.
And AD is going nowhere. A blind squirrel can see that with his eyes closed.
Till he signs that max contract for us, there's absolutely no guarantee of that.
He loves the team's chemistry, loves being on a contender, loves his coach and the staff, and is playing with LeBron James, who is handling their new partnership masterfully. There's no other situation he can go to that's compelling enough for him to walk away from all of this. If there is, say a name. Go ahead. _________________ “Christ did not die to forgive sinners who go on treasuring anything above seeing and savoring God. And people who would be happy in heaven if Christ were not there, will not be there."
- John Piper
The proper poll should be "brandon ingram or lebron james?"
Ingram. He’s got 10-15 years left in the league and he’s just getting started.
But I never wanted Teflon ‘Bron in the 1st place, so... _________________ Mamba Made Moments Meticulously Magnificent
Jeanie loves Brandon. Used to take Selfies with him and still follows and “likes” him on IG. Maybe he’ll be back when he’s 33 and people are questioning if he’s a Washed King himself.
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