Joined: 10 Apr 2001 Posts: 65135 Location: Orange County, CA
Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:57 am Post subject:
PlantedTanks wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
FWIW it may be a higher saturation of players because of virtual scouting.
I have a few favorites but would rather watch near draft time whenever that is.
Otherwise, I'm still eyeballing Isaiah Joe, coming off injury. Needs strength. Worst case, you've got a Shake Milton clone. Best case, he develops triple threat skills and plays like a big wing based on his shooting.
I haven't seen much ball handling from Joe due to his role in Arkansas offense. He has shown passing skills although I am not sure how he would perform initiating the offense like Shake did in college.
I do like Joe's teammate Mason Jones. He's a pure scorer who can get his own offense and has some play making skills. NBA athlete with good height, size and strength.
I've seen him split PnR and do 2x change of direction off PnR. Dude is basically like a better Wesley Person because he has a step back 3 that he's able to hit while contested.
Shake Milton isn't as strong and lacks a dynamic handle, so he's behind the curve in comparison to Joe. Joe plays like an undersized 3, which is fine for the current Laker team anyway. He won't be asked to be a playmaker early but at least has flashed some. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
Joined: 10 Apr 2001 Posts: 65135 Location: Orange County, CA
Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:59 am Post subject:
PlantedTanks wrote:
Laker's Fan wrote:
If there isn’t a combine, little to no workouts, and abbreviated seasons to have evaluated draft prospects, teams are likely to have very different draft boards after the lottery. There has also been a lot of chatter that the draft is ‘weak’ which says to me that there are a lot of guys who are going to be late bloomers.
I believe the weak chatter is partially due to the top of the draft not having 2-3 prospects who could be considered as potential franchise level talent.
However this draft imo looks very deep with players 20-35 being pretty interchangeable in regards to talent. It is just what are the teams needs and/or values that will set their draft board.
Fwiw I'm not sure it's even 20 deep. Pickings get very slim and later first round guys have pretty considerable flaws that can't be hidden by role. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
Joined: 10 Apr 2001 Posts: 65135 Location: Orange County, CA
Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2020 1:02 pm Post subject:
Tyrell Terry is like DJ Augstine without quicks or dynamic handle
Keynote Johnson - Basic wing, long arms. Near set shot from 3, attacks closeouts, has a floater, capable of driving left and prefers that at baseline, right side driver otherwise.
Tre Jones - we all know about
Malachi Flynn - He's got it. 6'1" PG, patient in PnR, high volume 3pt shooter/ pull up shooter, in out dribble when met w 2nd defender in PnR, excellent 30% to 10% assist rate to TO rate. RARE to see 26+ USG with under 11% TOV
Jordan Nwora - Like a shotmaking Kozma, more pure in spot up behind arc than elite Kozma floater game. Defensive issues.
Jared Butler - Never saw anything outside of 3pt shooting really
Grant Riller - like a short Lou Williams, but can't defend
Udoka Azubuike - Like him a lot, even though he's a traditional big, but probable a mid to late 2nd based on archetype
Devon Dotson - Iffy shooter imho, lots of burst, lots of speed, doesn't have great footwork, sub average WS?
Outré - I'm out on. Soft.
Tyler Bey - Basically like Thaddeus Young/ like a 3/2 playing 4, so it's difficult to find perimeter skills that'll translate to the NBA player. Barely flashes a 3pt shot and it's spot up situations only.
Ashton Hagans - Project. Floater game, quicks, handle, patient in PnR, midrange, FT% projects long term shooting. Very sub average 3pt shooter, and nearly 2x to TO rate that you want to see out of a PG. Project.
Payton Prichard - Good early 2nd rounder. Has brakes for a step back, change of direction primarily behind the back in half court, basic crossover in transition. 30' range and looks comfortable. Do wonder if shooting is correlated to 28 USG but has shown signs of similar shooting percentages on 20 USG. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
Joined: 10 Apr 2001 Posts: 65135 Location: Orange County, CA
Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2020 11:10 am Post subject:
Will fill in over time and change order
Anthony Edwards
Killian Hayes
LaMelo Ball
Onyeka Okongwu
Cole Anthony
Obi Toppin
James Wiseman
Deni Avdija
Tyrese Haliburton
Devin Vessell
RJ Hampton
Josh Green
Isaac Okoro
Kira Lewis Jr
Nico Mannion
Tyrese Maxey
Aaron Nesmith
..
...
Theo Maledon
Precious Achiuwa
..
...
Xavier Tillman
Leandro Bolmaro
Tre Jones
Desmond Bane
Jalen Smith
Grant Riller
Isaiah Joe
Killian Tillie
...
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Alex Pokusevski
Payton Pritchard
Lamine Diane
Paul Reed
Jahmi'us Ramsey
Patrick Williams
Malachi Flynn
Jordan Nwora
Tyrell Terry
Vernon Carey
Immanuel Quickley
Devon Dotson
Reggie Perry
Skylar Mays
Myles Powell
Udoka Azubuike _________________ Resident Car Nut.
Joined: 10 Apr 2001 Posts: 65135 Location: Orange County, CA
Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2020 10:25 am Post subject:
PlantedTanks wrote:
My top 20
Anthony Edwards
LeMalo Ball
James Wiseman
Cole Anthony
Obi Toppin
Jaden McDaniels
Killian Hayes
Isaac Okoro
Deni Avdija
Tyrese Haliburton
Devin Vessell
R J Hampton
Saddiq Bey
Onyeka Okongwu
Precious Acguywa
Aaron Nesmith
Nico Mannion
Tyrese Maxey
Zeke Nnaji
Kira Lewis Jr
Sleepers
Bolded would consider for Lakers pick
PG - Malachi Flynn, Colbey Ross, Jerrick Harding
SG - Mason Jones John Petty
SF - Kristian Doolittle, Lamra Stevens, Desmond Bane
PF/C - Brady Manek, Collin Welp (not sure if they will declare)
and the Alex Caruso prospect
T J Haws
I have a tough time with Jaden. Needs like 2 years of body building and to actually try and calm down on the court instead of forcing some really difficult shots.
The motor is there at least, but I don't think he wants G League time when he gets drafted.
Still thinking Kira Lewis is a lottery player. Still want Isaiah Joe. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
I have a tough time with Jaden. Needs like 2 years of body building and to actually try and calm down on the court instead of forcing some really difficult shots.
The motor is there at least, but I don't think he wants G League time when he gets drafted.
Still thinking Kira Lewis is a lottery player. Still want Isaiah Joe.
I feel Jaden's build is better than BI's coming out of college and more capable to adding weight.
Agree of your court assessment of him at the beginning of the season but those problems were less apparent at the end. This also applies to Isaiah Stewart who's potential I feel is limited due to athletic limitations.
Can't recall the game, possibly Auburn, but still remember Lewis racing past the other team down court while dribbling. Really D Fox like. I can see him going in the lottery especially to a team like the Spurs.
Joined: 10 Apr 2001 Posts: 65135 Location: Orange County, CA
Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2020 1:10 pm Post subject:
Intrigued by Bolmaro and Pokusevski as tall initiators. Bolmaro needs to polish the shot. Pokusevski needs more strength. Longer term prospects. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
To complete my top 35 with the first 5 my choice for the Lakers pick.
Robert Woodward - Kind of bordering between a SF and short PF. Physically ready with good athleticism, strength and length. Have not seen much ability to create his own shot but good shooter.
Isaiah Stewart - taller Montrezl Harrell. Really long but very little vertical. Has a mid-range jumper but disappointed in effort on boards.
Jalen Smith - tall, long, blocks shots, works hard on the boards and the defensive end. Showed a jump shot this year. Just average athletically and did not show much ball handling skill.
Mason Jones - a dynamic scorer who can handle the ball and create his own shot. Was one of the primary ball handlers for Arkansas but not a PG.
Tre Jones - better than his brother Tyus. Good athleticism, quickness and improved his jump shot.
Vernon Carey - his high school tape was uninspiring imo but he really showed more skill than I though he had this year at Duke.
Josh Green
Jordan Nwora
John Petty - my underrated prospect. Plays hard and a good shooter
Scottie Lewis
Kahlil Whitney
Jahmi'us Ramsey
Aleksej Pokusevski
Mamadi Diakite
Cassius STanley
Also like Killian Tillie but don't believe his body will hold up to a full NBA season.
Still high on Markus Howard and not sure why he doesn't get more consideration as a prospect. Is he that different than Carsen Edwards?
Joined: 10 Apr 2001 Posts: 65135 Location: Orange County, CA
Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2020 11:02 am Post subject:
Carson Edwards at least showed PG ability as a freshman before they changed his role. Don't think Markus Howard has that ability. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
I left Theo Maledon out of my top 35. I see him as Mr. Average. Average athleticism, quickness, explosiveness and passing. Average-good shooter although more stationary than off movement.
Granted this is just from highlights and hard to judge court presence but I don't see a + skill.
Nico Mannion is a similar player but believe his shooting will become + and is the superior passer.
Joined: 10 Apr 2001 Posts: 65135 Location: Orange County, CA
Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2020 12:20 pm Post subject:
PlantedTanks wrote:
I left Theo Maledon out of my top 35. I see him as Mr. Average. Average athleticism, quickness, explosiveness and passing. Average-good shooter although more stationary than off movement.
Granted this is just from highlights and hard to judge court presence but I don't see a + skill.
Nico Mannion is a similar player but believe his shooting will become + and is the superior passer.
Am I seeing it wrong?
Malden's potential is based on age.
Mannion is a much more polished pull up shooter, above average passer, makes good reads, tries defensively. People are down on him because he doesn't always attack at the rim or FTr. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
There should be an argument for putting Killian Hayes #1
What does he have over Ball?
Shooting, shot selection, predictability.
I am not sure about shooting. The one aspect of shooting Ball seems to have is touch from both outside and at the rim. His shot selection will improve and I believe he will be the superior scorer.
I left Theo Maledon out of my top 35. I see him as Mr. Average. Average athleticism, quickness, explosiveness and passing. Average-good shooter although more stationary than off movement.
Granted this is just from highlights and hard to judge court presence but I don't see a + skill.
Nico Mannion is a similar player but believe his shooting will become + and is the superior passer.
Am I seeing it wrong?
Malden's potential is based on age.
Mannion is a much more polished pull up shooter, above average passer, makes good reads, tries defensively. People are down on him because he doesn't always attack at the rim or FTr.
So how do you see Ashton Hagans in comparison. He is hard to evaluate playing within Calipar's system.
I like him but needs a lot of work on his shot and not sure of how good of a play maker he really is.
Joined: 10 Apr 2001 Posts: 65135 Location: Orange County, CA
Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2020 1:04 pm Post subject:
PlantedTanks wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
PlantedTanks wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
There should be an argument for putting Killian Hayes #1
What does he have over Ball?
Shooting, shot selection, predictability.
I am not sure about shooting. The one aspect of shooting Ball seems to have is touch from both outside and at the rim. His shot selection will improve and I believe he will be the superior scorer.
I refuse to let LaMelo's hot streak 3pt shooting at NBL as an indicator of shooting.
I disagree about shot selection. For the most part, that almost never changes. He would need a strict coach to tame that.
Much more confident in Killian's scoring abilities next level. Like watching a DLO clone. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
Joined: 10 Apr 2001 Posts: 65135 Location: Orange County, CA
Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2020 1:06 pm Post subject:
PlantedTanks wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
PlantedTanks wrote:
I left Theo Maledon out of my top 35. I see him as Mr. Average. Average athleticism, quickness, explosiveness and passing. Average-good shooter although more stationary than off movement.
Granted this is just from highlights and hard to judge court presence but I don't see a + skill.
Nico Mannion is a similar player but believe his shooting will become + and is the superior passer.
Am I seeing it wrong?
Malden's potential is based on age.
Mannion is a much more polished pull up shooter, above average passer, makes good reads, tries defensively. People are down on him because he doesn't always attack at the rim or FTr.
So how do you see Ashton Hagans in comparison. He is hard to evaluate playing within Calipar's system.
I like him but needs a lot of work on his shot and not sure of how good of a play maker he really is.
I'm not a Hagans guy. Pretty sure I'll find more 2nd round picks above him _________________ Resident Car Nut.
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