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FernieBee Star Player
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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 12:37 am Post subject: |
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A good communicator gets his/her point across in as few words as possible.
Wordiness is verbal m AT sturb AT tion. _________________ Garvey, Lopes, Cey, Russell |
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nickuku Star Player
Joined: 09 Jul 2010 Posts: 7844 Location: Orange County
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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 12:56 am Post subject: |
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All cops are not bad.
We need to revamp rather than defund the police force. Fire all of them and re-hire the good ones. _________________ Don't let perfect be the enemy of good |
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LaLaLakeShow Star Player
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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 2:53 am Post subject: |
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FernieBee wrote: | A good communicator gets his/her point across in as few words as possible.
Wordiness is verbal m _at_ sturb _at_ tion. |
That can be true sometimes....other times absolutely not.
Depends on the topic and depth of the conversation. _________________ Mamba Made Moments Meticulously Magnificent |
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LaLaLakeShow Star Player
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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 2:55 am Post subject: |
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nickuku wrote: | All cops are not bad.
We need to revamp rather than defund the police force. Fire all of them and re-hire the good ones. |
The police as an institution is evil AF.
Anybody who joins up to enforce unjust laws on the populace deserves no defense _________________ Mamba Made Moments Meticulously Magnificent |
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kikanga Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 10:37 am Post subject: |
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nickuku wrote: | All cops are not bad.
We need to revamp rather than defund the police force. Fire all of them and re-hire the good ones. |
My definition of "good ones" are cops who will break the blue wall of silence or blue code/shield. Whatever it's called when they don't report, don't intervene, and they cover up misconduct committed by each other.
You don't have to literally be a criminal officer to be a bad one. Covering up for a bad cop makes you a bad cop. Period. That should be the standard. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better” |
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Heartburn Star Player
Joined: 04 Oct 2001 Posts: 6356 Location: The Titanic that is the USA
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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 1:23 pm Post subject: |
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They're a gang like any other. Perhaps worse because they have institutional immunity.
You notice no one hates firefighters? |
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jonnybravo Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 1:28 pm Post subject: |
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kikanga wrote: | nickuku wrote: | All cops are not bad.
We need to revamp rather than defund the police force. Fire all of them and re-hire the good ones. |
My definition of "good ones" are cops who will break the blue wall of silence or blue code/shield. Whatever it's called when they don't report, don't intervene, and they cover up misconduct committed by each other.
You don't have to literally be a criminal officer to be a bad one. Covering up for a bad cop makes you a bad cop. Period. That should be the standard. |
You and I are spirit animals on this issue. Once again I agree 100%. _________________ KOBE |
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DaMuleRules Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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jonnybravo wrote: | kikanga wrote: | nickuku wrote: | All cops are not bad.
We need to revamp rather than defund the police force. Fire all of them and re-hire the good ones. |
My definition of "good ones" are cops who will break the blue wall of silence or blue code/shield. Whatever it's called when they don't report, don't intervene, and they cover up misconduct committed by each other.
You don't have to literally be a criminal officer to be a bad one. Covering up for a bad cop makes you a bad cop. Period. That should be the standard. |
You and I are spirit animals on this issue. Once again I agree 100%. |
I've said it before, and I'll say it again.
You can have 10 bad cops and 1,000 good cops.
But if the 1,000 good cops do nothing about the 10 bad cops, you have 1,010 bad cops . . . _________________ You thought God was an architect, now you know
He’s something like a pipe bomb ready to blow
And everything you built that’s all for show
goes up in flames
In 24 frames
Jason Isbell
Man, do those lyrics resonate right now |
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Baron Von Humongous Retired Number
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Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2020 8:23 am Post subject: |
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Ghislaine Maxwell is hot and I alone can fix her. _________________ Under New Management |
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FernieBee Star Player
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Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2020 10:34 am Post subject: |
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Baron Von Humongous wrote: | Ghislaine Maxwell is hot and I alone can fix her. |
Can I watch?
_________________ Garvey, Lopes, Cey, Russell |
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Baron Von Humongous Retired Number
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Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2020 10:36 am Post subject: |
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FernieBee wrote: | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | Ghislaine Maxwell is hot and I alone can fix her. |
Can I watch?
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Jerry Falwell, Jr., is that you? _________________ Under New Management |
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xxsicrokerxx Star Player
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Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2020 11:18 am Post subject: |
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DaMuleRules wrote: | jonnybravo wrote: | kikanga wrote: | nickuku wrote: | All cops are not bad.
We need to revamp rather than defund the police force. Fire all of them and re-hire the good ones. |
My definition of "good ones" are cops who will break the blue wall of silence or blue code/shield. Whatever it's called when they don't report, don't intervene, and they cover up misconduct committed by each other.
You don't have to literally be a criminal officer to be a bad one. Covering up for a bad cop makes you a bad cop. Period. That should be the standard. |
You and I are spirit animals on this issue. Once again I agree 100%. |
I've said it before, and I'll say it again.
You can have 10 bad cops and 1,000 good cops.
But if the 1,000 good cops do nothing about the 10 bad cops, you have 1,010 bad cops . . . | Yes, we all agree. Doesn't mean all cops are bad. There are plenty of inspiring officers that joined the force to try and weed out the bad officers. I work at a hospital and interact with police on the daily. Some seem like genuine people that really want to help the community while some are a$$es, same could be said of doctors. |
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FernieBee Star Player
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Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2020 11:44 am Post subject: |
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xxsicrokerxx wrote: | Some [cops] seem like genuine people that really want to help the community while some are a$$es... |
There are:
good mechanics & bad mechanics
good grocers & bad grocers
good teachers & bad teachers
good cops & bad cops
However, a bad cop can take away a person's liberty and/or life in the course of doing a bad job.
_________________ Garvey, Lopes, Cey, Russell |
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Baron Von Humongous Retired Number
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Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2020 11:47 am Post subject: |
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FernieBee wrote: | xxsicrokerxx wrote: | Some [cops] seem like genuine people that really want to help the community while some are a$$es... |
There are:
good mechanics & bad mechanics
good grocers & bad grocers
good teachers & bad teachers
good cops & bad cops
However, a bad cop can take away a person's liberty and/or life in the course of doing a bad job.
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And then get a paid vacation out of it. _________________ Under New Management |
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Baron Von Humongous Retired Number
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Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2020 12:24 pm Post subject: |
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Controversially I think more bad people should die than good people and 2020 is not complying. _________________ Under New Management |
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kikanga Retired Number
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Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2020 1:57 pm Post subject: |
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xxsicrokerxx wrote: | Yes, we all agree. Doesn't mean all cops are bad. There are plenty of inspiring officers that joined the force to try and weed out the bad officers. I work at a hospital and interact with police on the daily. Some seem like genuine people that really want to help the community while some are a$$es, same could be said of doctors. |
See this is where I get somewhat controversial. Some of those officers may know of times their fellow officers abused their power or acted inappropriately and didn't report it. And even though they are pleasant, kind, and by the book themselves. They are part of the problem for not reporting the misbehavior of their coworkers.
I admit, I wouldn't expect that with every type of worker in every profession. I hold law enforcement to a higher standard.
My solution. Incentivize police chiefs and sheriffs to run a tighter ship with performance based bonuses. Deduct their pay if police misconduct is reported by the public after 24 hours if it hasn't been reported within the law enforcement department before then. Pay bonuses for officers who report misconduct of their coworkers. Deduct pay for officers who don't wear body cams. It wouldn't completely fix the problem. But we're better off than we are now. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better” |
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xxsicrokerxx Star Player
Joined: 11 Dec 2011 Posts: 2205
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Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2020 2:17 pm Post subject: |
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kikanga wrote: | xxsicrokerxx wrote: | Yes, we all agree. Doesn't mean all cops are bad. There are plenty of inspiring officers that joined the force to try and weed out the bad officers. I work at a hospital and interact with police on the daily. Some seem like genuine people that really want to help the community while some are a$$es, same could be said of doctors. |
See this is where I get somewhat controversial. Some of those officers may know of times their fellow officers abused their power or acted inappropriately and didn't report it. And even though they are pleasant, kind, and by the book themselves. They are part of the problem for not reporting the misbehavior of their coworkers.
I admit, I wouldn't expect that with every type of worker in every profession. I hold law enforcement to a higher standard.
My solution. Incentivize police chiefs and sheriffs to run a tighter ship with performance based bonuses. Deduct their pay if police misconduct is reported by the public after 24 hours if it hasn't been reported within the law enforcement department before then. Pay bonuses for officers who report misconduct of their coworkers. Deduct pay for officers who don't wear body cams. It wouldn't completely fix the problem. But we're better off than we are now. | Absolutely agree.
Police reform is needed. Which involves better deescalation drills and better combat skills. Unfortunately, its going to take a lot of time and money. |
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xxsicrokerxx Star Player
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Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2020 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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FernieBee wrote: | xxsicrokerxx wrote: | Some [cops] seem like genuine people that really want to help the community while some are a$$es... |
There are:
good mechanics & bad mechanics
good grocers & bad grocers
good teachers & bad teachers
good cops & bad cops
However, a bad cop can take away a person's liberty and/or life in the course of doing a bad job.
| A bad driver can take away a good driver's life. A botched surgery can lead to the death of a patient. Anyone can cause harm/injury doing a bad job. |
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jonnybravo Retired Number
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Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2020 2:27 pm Post subject: |
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kikanga wrote: | xxsicrokerxx wrote: | Yes, we all agree. Doesn't mean all cops are bad. There are plenty of inspiring officers that joined the force to try and weed out the bad officers. I work at a hospital and interact with police on the daily. Some seem like genuine people that really want to help the community while some are a$$es, same could be said of doctors. |
See this is where I get somewhat controversial. Some of those officers may know of times their fellow officers abused their power or acted inappropriately and didn't report it. And even though they are pleasant, kind, and by the book themselves. They are part of the problem for not reporting the misbehavior of their coworkers.
I admit, I wouldn't expect that with every type of worker in every profession. I hold law enforcement to a higher standard.
My solution. Incentivize police chiefs and sheriffs to run a tighter ship with performance based bonuses. Deduct their pay if police misconduct is reported by the public after 24 hours if it hasn't been reported within the law enforcement department before then. Pay bonuses for officers who report misconduct of their coworkers. Deduct pay for officers who don't wear body cams. It wouldn't completely fix the problem. But we're better off than we are now. |
We'd have to find a better way to measure performance. My (former) buddy whos is in law enforcement said they keep stats and no matter what the official word you want to use, there are most certainly quotas. Any cop that says they don't have quotas on tickets, arrests etc is (bleep) lying. They just renamed it. It's just like the continuing narrative that these guys are working for peanuts. It's a lie. _________________ KOBE
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Baron Von Humongous Retired Number
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Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2020 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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xxsicrokerxx wrote: | FernieBee wrote: | xxsicrokerxx wrote: | Some [cops] seem like genuine people that really want to help the community while some are a$$es... |
There are:
good mechanics & bad mechanics
good grocers & bad grocers
good teachers & bad teachers
good cops & bad cops
However, a bad cop can take away a person's liberty and/or life in the course of doing a bad job.
| A bad driver can take away a good driver's life. A botched surgery can lead to the death of a patient. Anyone can cause harm/injury doing a bad job. |
I wish I had qualified immunity as a bad driver. _________________ Under New Management |
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unleasHell Franchise Player
Joined: 16 Apr 2001 Posts: 11591 Location: Stay Thirsty my Friends
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Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2020 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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Robin Hood Health Care: the rich should pay the insurance of the poor! _________________ “Always remember... Rumors are carried by haters, spread by fools, and accepted by idiots.” |
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DaMuleRules Retired Number
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Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2020 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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xxsicrokerxx wrote: | DaMuleRules wrote: | jonnybravo wrote: | kikanga wrote: | nickuku wrote: | All cops are not bad.
We need to revamp rather than defund the police force. Fire all of them and re-hire the good ones. |
My definition of "good ones" are cops who will break the blue wall of silence or blue code/shield. Whatever it's called when they don't report, don't intervene, and they cover up misconduct committed by each other.
You don't have to literally be a criminal officer to be a bad one. Covering up for a bad cop makes you a bad cop. Period. That should be the standard. |
You and I are spirit animals on this issue. Once again I agree 100%. |
I've said it before, and I'll say it again.
You can have 10 bad cops and 1,000 good cops.
But if the 1,000 good cops do nothing about the 10 bad cops, you have 1,010 bad cops . . . | Yes, we all agree. Doesn't mean all cops are bad. There are plenty of inspiring officers that joined the force to try and weed out the bad officers. I work at a hospital and interact with police on the daily. Some seem like genuine people that really want to help the community while some are a$$es, same could be said of doctors. |
And they typically end up getting fired. That's how we ended up with Chris Dorner. _________________ You thought God was an architect, now you know
He’s something like a pipe bomb ready to blow
And everything you built that’s all for show
goes up in flames
In 24 frames
Jason Isbell
Man, do those lyrics resonate right now |
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FernieBee Star Player
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Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2020 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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Baron Von Humongous wrote: | I wish I had qualified immunity as a bad driver. |
Please stop confusing me with good information.
_________________ Garvey, Lopes, Cey, Russell |
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Baron Von Humongous Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2020 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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Alien3 is good.
Alien Resurrection remains bad.
That is all. _________________ Under New Management |
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Omar Little Moderator
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Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2020 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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Baron Von Humongous wrote: | Alien3 is good.
Alien Resurrection remains bad.
That is all. |
I think you’re dyslexic _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel |
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