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anth2000 Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2020 11:42 am Post subject: |
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Derozan for Kuz and Green? Sign me up. I think the team gets better with Derozan. |
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Baron Von Humongous Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2020 11:43 am Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | Nearly 6apg last 3 years.
Still a 22ppg scorer. Rebounding up.
I'm positive with LBJ/AD setting the tone, he will give more effort on defense b/c he's not needed to be a #1/#2 option on offense.
He's on an expiring deal too.
I'm down with it if it happens. We aren't extending Kuz, and Green is an expiring deal and looked like he was about to blow a tire. |
I'd let Rondo walk if they trade for DD. Have DeRozan run the second unit when Lebron sits. _________________ Under New Management |
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Moses Star Player
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Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2020 11:44 am Post subject: |
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Given that Green and Kuz are in their last years with us, I think DeRozan brings more to the team than they would.
With DDR 28m salary does Green and Kuz work? _________________ Lakers, Chargers, Dodgers, Arsenal FC.
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LastStand 2.0 Starting Rotation
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Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2020 11:44 am Post subject: |
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Baron Von Humongous wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Nearly 6apg last 3 years.
Still a 22ppg scorer. Rebounding up.
I'm positive with LBJ/AD setting the tone, he will give more effort on defense b/c he's not needed to be a #1/#2 option on offense.
He's on an expiring deal too.
I'm down with it if it happens. We aren't extending Kuz, and Green is an expiring deal and looked like he was about to blow a tire. |
I'd let Rondo walk if they trade for DD. Have DeRozan run the second unit when Lebron sits. |
I mean if we CAN bring him back we should
Financially and such
Can never have too many smart ball handlers |
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textbook Star Player
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Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2020 11:45 am Post subject: |
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Derozan could also just opt out of his contract (27 mil). We then sign him for a one year deal promising bigger pay day later. He prob wouldn't go for this...but endorsements in LA could be a factor. |
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anth2000 Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2020 11:46 am Post subject: |
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Rather have Derozan's $27 mill versus CP3's $41+ mill contract to trade for. |
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Baron Von Humongous Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2020 11:50 am Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | I'm also concerned that:
1. Green's wheels will fall off this upcoming year. Had an achilles concern during the Bubble apparently.
2. Kuz isn't going to be extended. So we will have to deal with passive/aggressive social media stuff all year. Are we really going to extend Kuz next year? |
The negative is that you're trading two big wing defenders for a total non-defender in DD. _________________ Under New Management |
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StoicChalice392 Star Player
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Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2020 11:51 am Post subject: |
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Will Pop want to deal with the Lakers though? |
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Aeneas Hunter Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2020 11:51 am Post subject: |
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32 wrote: | Who would have the incentive to leak this? |
DeRozan's agent. Duh. The idea doesn't make a lot of sense for either the Lakers or the Spurs. But getting DeRozan's name out in the rumor mill is a good thing if DeRozan wants out of San Antonio. Connecting his name to the Lakers is a great way to be sure that the media picks up on the story.
I could be proven dead wrong on this one, but the odds are in my favor. Some of you are way too gullible about this stuff. This rumor doesn't deserve its own thread any more than the Ibaka rumor did. We'll probably get 5-10 more major rumors (and a zillion minor rumors) between now and Thanksgiving. _________________ Internet Argument Resolved |
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Baron Von Humongous Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2020 11:55 am Post subject: |
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Aeneas Hunter wrote: | 32 wrote: | Who would have the incentive to leak this? |
DeRozan's agent. Duh. The idea doesn't make a lot of sense for either the Lakers or the Spurs. But getting DeRozan's name out in the rumor mill is a good thing if DeRozan wants out of San Antonio. Connecting his name to the Lakers is a great way to be sure that the media picks up on the story.
I could be proven dead wrong on this one, but the odds are in my favor. Some of you are way too gullible about this stuff. This rumor doesn't deserve its own thread any more than the Ibaka rumor did. We'll probably get 5-10 more major rumors (and a zillion minor rumors) between now and Thanksgiving. |
Good take _________________ Under New Management |
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Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2020 12:02 pm Post subject: |
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Lakers aren't going to extend Kuz and Green is an expiring deal. If they can do this deal, you do it. Figure out the other moving parts. When you have Lebron, you gotta pretty much go all in while he's still here. Can you imagine the pick and roll with Demar and AD? He wasn't happy in San Antonio. He will love to play in LA. |
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chantruong Star Player
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Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2020 12:05 pm Post subject: |
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Moses wrote: | Given that Green and Kuz are in their last years with us, I think DeRozan brings more to the team than they would.
With DDR 28m salary does Green and Kuz work? |
Would need to include an opted-in McGee or Bradley. I was a little disappointed when I found out Cook alone wouldn't work as another salary ballast in a potential DDR trade. Its off by 300k |
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venturalakersfan Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2020 12:23 pm Post subject: |
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Ibaka yesterday, DeRozan today. I can’t wait to see who it is tomorrow. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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dcastillo Star Player
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Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2020 12:25 pm Post subject: |
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venturalakersfan wrote: | Ibaka yesterday, DeRozan today. I can’t wait to see who it is tomorrow. |
Oladipo next |
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Jesusdelonla Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2020 12:28 pm Post subject: |
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Baron Von Humongous wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | I'm also concerned that:
1. Green's wheels will fall off this upcoming year. Had an achilles concern during the Bubble apparently.
2. Kuz isn't going to be extended. So we will have to deal with passive/aggressive social media stuff all year. Are we really going to extend Kuz next year? |
The negative is that you're trading two big wing defenders for a total non-defender in DD. |
agree. no thanks |
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Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2020 12:33 pm Post subject: |
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yuck. unless they're tossing in a pick or a young player, stay away. just wait for DD on the buyout market lol _________________ Lakers Picks The Next Six Years:
2020 - Own
2021 - Own (likely)
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2023 - Own or New Orleans' Pick
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AD23 Star Player
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Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2020 12:34 pm Post subject: |
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venturalakersfan wrote: | Ibaka yesterday, DeRozan today. I can’t wait to see who it is tomorrow. |
Your fav player --- Kawhi demands trade to Lakers. Ask LBJ for forgiveness |
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LastStand 2.0 Starting Rotation
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Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2020 12:35 pm Post subject: |
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Green is a plus defender. But when did kuzma become this defender to like hold onto. He improved from a big minus to being what? Mediocre on that end
Vogel’s system makes a difference, lack of responsibility for derozan will give him more energy to defend. He has the athletic ability to do so
He’s not small. He’s 6-6
Peoples justification for not wanting derozan is mind boggling lol.
Everyone hates these players, suddenly a trade comes up and they’re too much to give up |
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ducasse Star Player
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Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2020 12:41 pm Post subject: |
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SGV-Laker fan wrote: | don't need another non-shooting wing player. DeRozen's game is iso, unless he fills the role as the 6th man, i don't see much benefit he's gonna bring playing in the same lineup as AD and LBJ. |
DeRozen would do well as a sixth man. I think he'd feast against the opposition's second team. |
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1995Lakers Star Player
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Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2020 12:48 pm Post subject: |
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LastStand 2.0 wrote: | Green is a plus defender. But when did kuzma become this defender to like hold onto. He improved from a big minus to being what? Mediocre on that end
Vogel’s system makes a difference, lack of responsibility for derozan will give him more energy to defend. He has the athletic ability to do so
He’s not small. He’s 6-6
Peoples justification for not wanting derozan is mind boggling lol.
Everyone hates these players, suddenly a trade comes up and they’re too much to give up |
How about "Peoples" like myself would rather just take a chance Green gets healthy and would rather see 1 more year of development from Kuzma than give them both for a shooting liability and a mental weakling like Derozan |
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LastStand 2.0 Starting Rotation
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Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2020 1:04 pm Post subject: |
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1995Lakers wrote: | LastStand 2.0 wrote: | Green is a plus defender. But when did kuzma become this defender to like hold onto. He improved from a big minus to being what? Mediocre on that end
Vogel’s system makes a difference, lack of responsibility for derozan will give him more energy to defend. He has the athletic ability to do so
He’s not small. He’s 6-6
Peoples justification for not wanting derozan is mind boggling lol.
Everyone hates these players, suddenly a trade comes up and they’re too much to give up |
How about "Peoples" like myself would rather just take a chance Green gets healthy and would rather see 1 more year of development from Kuzma than give them both for a shooting liability and a mental weakling like Derozan |
As opposed to the chronically poor playoff shooter in green and the disappearing kuzma?
Precisely what I’m talking about
Mental weakling lol. Maybe as the best player
Now he’s 3rd. That makes a difference |
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alleyoop Star Player
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Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2020 1:13 pm Post subject: |
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Uhhh what
I don’t like this. The only way I think DeRozan works on this squad is as a sixth man facilitator/scorer that plays minimal minutes with LeBron (not sure that’s possible). He’d probably cost Kuz, Green and McGee, hopefully not pick 28. You also can’t play Rondo and DeRozaj together, so he wouldn’t be back
PG: James - 28 (Flynn?)
SG: Bradley - Caruso
SF: KCP - DeRozan
PF: Davis - Jeff Green (min)
C: Ibaka (MLE) - Morris/Howard (BAE) _________________ #18 next... |
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1995Lakers Star Player
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Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2020 1:19 pm Post subject: |
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LastStand 2.0 wrote: | 1995Lakers wrote: | LastStand 2.0 wrote: | Green is a plus defender. But when did kuzma become this defender to like hold onto. He improved from a big minus to being what? Mediocre on that end
Vogel’s system makes a difference, lack of responsibility for derozan will give him more energy to defend. He has the athletic ability to do so
He’s not small. He’s 6-6
Peoples justification for not wanting derozan is mind boggling lol.
Everyone hates these players, suddenly a trade comes up and they’re too much to give up |
How about "Peoples" like myself would rather just take a chance Green gets healthy and would rather see 1 more year of development from Kuzma than give them both for a shooting liability and a mental weakling like Derozan |
As opposed to the chronically poor playoff shooter in green and the disappearing kuzma?
Precisely what I’m talking about
Mental weakling lol. Maybe as the best player
Now he’s 3rd. That makes a difference |
Makes a difference in terms of making it even easier for him to disappear. Derozan was always viewed as soft and mentally weak. At least Green can provide positive value even if he shoots 0 for 5 just through defense and spacing alone. Derozan on nights when he isnt making shots for the Lakers, he will be useless. There will be many nights those of you clamoring for Derozan will complain about how useless he is when he isnt clicking |
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Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2020 1:22 pm Post subject: |
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Baron Von Humongous wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | I'm also concerned that:
1. Green's wheels will fall off this upcoming year. Had an achilles concern during the Bubble apparently.
2. Kuz isn't going to be extended. So we will have to deal with passive/aggressive social media stuff all year. Are we really going to extend Kuz next year? |
The negative is that you're trading two big wing defenders for a total non-defender in DD. |
Sure. But you'll have free agency to address that. Getting a 22ppg playmaker is not usually an easy task. And he's on an expiring deal? _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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Baron Von Humongous Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2020 1:51 pm Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | I'm also concerned that:
1. Green's wheels will fall off this upcoming year. Had an achilles concern during the Bubble apparently.
2. Kuz isn't going to be extended. So we will have to deal with passive/aggressive social media stuff all year. Are we really going to extend Kuz next year? |
The negative is that you're trading two big wing defenders for a total non-defender in DD. |
Sure. But you'll have free agency to address that. Getting a 22ppg playmaker is not usually an easy task. And he's on an expiring deal? |
Not a lot of 3&D wings out there, but a lot of teams that want them.
DeRozan is DLo bad on defense and he'd be another non-spacer on a shooting deficient team. His 22ppg may not add anything meaningful to the offense except ending second unit scoring droughts against the Timberwolves in February. _________________ Under New Management |
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