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lakerican
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Lonzo Bust TOP FIVE??!!!
Meh, He is even in the verge of loosing his starting job, just saying... |
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Laker_Dynasty_01
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The only player* who was in the top 5 at any given time whose first three seasons were worse than Zo's?
Steve Nash
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| SPO200 wrote: | | mhan00 wrote: | “A boat’s a boat, but the box could be anything! It could even be a boat! We’ll take the box!”
That’s what people somehow still questioning the AD trade sound like. They’re Peter Griffin, who was willing to give up a guaranteed awesome prize, a boat, for potential, because potential is as great as our imaginations can dream, and they forget that their wildest dreams of what potential can be mostly go unrealized.
LAKERS WON A RING, YEAR ONE. On paper, we are in prime position to repeat. The trade was wildly successful, no matter how good BI, Zo, Hart, and the picks turn out to be. Nba and sports history are lined with the corpses of “potentially great players”. Championships are few and far between and are hard as hell to get.
Awesome for BI that he’s shown himself worth a Max contract, I hope Zo does the same this season. but Max contract worthy player and nba championship are not the same thing, as many Max contract players can attest. |
We gave up a good player than can be great in the future (not great yet), a decent player who we drafted because Magic bought Lavar's hype, a role player, a 4th pick that can be good in the future and 2 most likely non-lottery picks for a TOP 5 player who in the first year won a ring with us. You make this trade 100 times out of 100. |
Does the top 5 player win a chip without Rob securing the services of two Hall of Fame candidates for minimum salary?
The faulty logic employed here is unbelievable.
Because you won a championship you did everything right?
What if a GM recreated the modern day equivalent of the 88 Dodgers... does this mean they did the best possible job?
We won a title because we have the best player in the league combined with a top ten talent... COMBINED with signing hall of fame role players and ring chasers who provided value at bargain basement prices. If we don't sign Rondo and Dwight for minimums... we don't win. Doesn't matter if you have LBJ and AD if Rob doesn't find bargain talent at those prices.
The supposed downside to the trade was the lack of depth. Rob managed to hack that problem... not only the title winning season but this season as well. We are currently in the pole position because of superior executive management that overcame a difficult problem.
Why is everyone praising Rob both last season and this season?
Because he did something that is out of the normal. He took something that was a considered a very tricky and problematic and solved it.
If we weren't in a predicament, would people be praising Rob?
No... Rob managed to solve the scenario of pleasing LBJ and Klutch's desire to bring AD this season instead of waiting a year while not only being competitive but winning title. People act like this was an inevitable result when it required ingenious thought to overcome a problem.
What if instead of trading our youth and picks, we did something like sign Jimmy Butler?
Then we would have had
Option 1
LBJ
Jimmy Butler
BI
Lonzo
Kuzma
#4 pick
Mo Wagner
Svi
Thomas Bryant
Josh Hart
2021 1st round
2023 1st round
2024 1st round
Bonga
Zubac
Caruso
Plus whatever FAs Rob could sign
Plus we could sign AD right now.
Versus
Option 2
LBJ
AD
Kuzma
Caruso
Plus what Rob could sign
So by the logic employed here... because we won a title.
100/100 times you take the second option?
100/100 times you recreate the 88 Dodgers because they won a championship? /sarcasm
Empirically in terms of talent and flexibility... option 1 is superior to option 2.
Just because the GM is extremely talented and is able to hack a win with option 2... doesn't mean you put yourself in the best possible scenario.
Rob is being praised because he was forced into working with option 2 and made it happen. If what he did wasn't hard... no one would be singing his praises over the national media all week long. Nor on this board.
He created something out of thin air that shouldn't have been possible.
There is more than one way to win a title... in fact there are infinite combinations in terms of probability.
The fact that Rob was able to solve one of the more difficult paths, does not mean that path was the only right one |
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cal1piggy
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i care about 2020 season and which free agents we can get.
rob is doing a great job.
bi is no longer on the lakers and not relevant to the 2020 season.
are we getting a 3rd pg? we want to load manage lbj this season and in the future. less minutes per game in the regular season.
are we getting a 3rd center? gasol was gassed by the playoffs last season and was injured for quite a few games. we do not want ad to play center in the regular season except when really needed. |
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pmacla
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| BILBJH wrote: | | SPO200 wrote: | | mhan00 wrote: | “A boat’s a boat, but the box could be anything! It could even be a boat! We’ll take the box!”
That’s what people somehow still questioning the AD trade sound like. They’re Peter Griffin, who was willing to give up a guaranteed awesome prize, a boat, for potential, because potential is as great as our imaginations can dream, and they forget that their wildest dreams of what potential can be mostly go unrealized.
LAKERS WON A RING, YEAR ONE. On paper, we are in prime position to repeat. The trade was wildly successful, no matter how good BI, Zo, Hart, and the picks turn out to be. Nba and sports history are lined with the corpses of “potentially great players”. Championships are few and far between and are hard as hell to get.
Awesome for BI that he’s shown himself worth a Max contract, I hope Zo does the same this season. but Max contract worthy player and nba championship are not the same thing, as many Max contract players can attest. |
We gave up a good player than can be great in the future (not great yet), a decent player who we drafted because Magic bought Lavar's hype, a role player, a 4th pick that can be good in the future and 2 most likely non-lottery picks for a TOP 5 player who in the first year won a ring with us. You make this trade 100 times out of 100. |
Does the top 5 player win a chip without Rob securing the services of two Hall of Fame candidates for minimum salary?
The faulty logic employed here is unbelievable.
Because you won a championship you did everything right?
What if a GM recreated the modern day equivalent of the 88 Dodgers... does this mean they did the best possible job?
We won a title because we have the best player in the league combined with a top ten talent... COMBINED with signing hall of fame role players and ring chasers who provided value at bargain basement prices. If we don't sign Rondo and Dwight for minimums... we don't win. Doesn't matter if you have LBJ and AD if Rob doesn't find bargain talent at those prices.
The supposed downside to the trade was the lack of depth. Rob managed to hack that problem... not only the title winning season but this season as well. We are currently in the pole position because of superior executive management that overcame a difficult problem.
Why is everyone praising Rob both last season and this season?
Because he did something that is out of the normal. He took something that was a considered a very tricky and problematic and solved it.
If we weren't in a predicament, would people be praising Rob?
No... Rob managed to solve the scenario of pleasing LBJ and Klutch's desire to bring AD this season instead of waiting a year while not only being competitive but winning title. People act like this was an inevitable result when it required ingenious thought to overcome a problem.
What if instead of trading our youth and picks, we did something like sign Jimmy Butler?
Then we would have had
Option 1
LBJ
Jimmy Butler
BI
Lonzo
Kuzma
#4 pick
Mo Wagner
Svi
Thomas Bryant
Josh Hart
2021 1st round
2023 1st round
2024 1st round
Bonga
Zubac
Caruso
Plus whatever FAs Rob could sign
Plus we could sign AD right now.
Versus
Option 2
LBJ
AD
Kuzma
Caruso
Plus what Rob could sign
So by the logic employed here... because we won a title.
100/100 times you take the second option?
100/100 times you recreate the 88 Dodgers because they won a championship? /sarcasm
Empirically in terms of talent and flexibility... option 1 is superior to option 2.
Just because the GM is extremely talented and is able to hack a win with option 2... doesn't mean you put yourself in the best possible scenario.
Rob is being praised because he was forced into working with option 2 and made it happen. If what he did wasn't hard... no one would be singing his praises over the national media all week long. Nor on this board.
He created something out of thin air that shouldn't have been possible.
There is more than one way to win a title... in fact there are infinite combinations in terms of probability.
The fact that Rob was able to solve one of the more difficult paths, does not mean that path was the only right one |
option 1 doesnt win a title no way no how |
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| Any chance we bring zo back. They don’t want him |
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| pmacla wrote: | | BILBJH wrote: | | SPO200 wrote: | | mhan00 wrote: | “A boat’s a boat, but the box could be anything! It could even be a boat! We’ll take the box!”
That’s what people somehow still questioning the AD trade sound like. They’re Peter Griffin, who was willing to give up a guaranteed awesome prize, a boat, for potential, because potential is as great as our imaginations can dream, and they forget that their wildest dreams of what potential can be mostly go unrealized.
LAKERS WON A RING, YEAR ONE. On paper, we are in prime position to repeat. The trade was wildly successful, no matter how good BI, Zo, Hart, and the picks turn out to be. Nba and sports history are lined with the corpses of “potentially great players”. Championships are few and far between and are hard as hell to get.
Awesome for BI that he’s shown himself worth a Max contract, I hope Zo does the same this season. but Max contract worthy player and nba championship are not the same thing, as many Max contract players can attest. |
We gave up a good player than can be great in the future (not great yet), a decent player who we drafted because Magic bought Lavar's hype, a role player, a 4th pick that can be good in the future and 2 most likely non-lottery picks for a TOP 5 player who in the first year won a ring with us. You make this trade 100 times out of 100. |
Does the top 5 player win a chip without Rob securing the services of two Hall of Fame candidates for minimum salary?
The faulty logic employed here is unbelievable.
Because you won a championship you did everything right?
What if a GM recreated the modern day equivalent of the 88 Dodgers... does this mean they did the best possible job?
We won a title because we have the best player in the league combined with a top ten talent... COMBINED with signing hall of fame role players and ring chasers who provided value at bargain basement prices. If we don't sign Rondo and Dwight for minimums... we don't win. Doesn't matter if you have LBJ and AD if Rob doesn't find bargain talent at those prices.
The supposed downside to the trade was the lack of depth. Rob managed to hack that problem... not only the title winning season but this season as well. We are currently in the pole position because of superior executive management that overcame a difficult problem.
Why is everyone praising Rob both last season and this season?
Because he did something that is out of the normal. He took something that was a considered a very tricky and problematic and solved it.
If we weren't in a predicament, would people be praising Rob?
No... Rob managed to solve the scenario of pleasing LBJ and Klutch's desire to bring AD this season instead of waiting a year while not only being competitive but winning title. People act like this was an inevitable result when it required ingenious thought to overcome a problem.
What if instead of trading our youth and picks, we did something like sign Jimmy Butler?
Then we would have had
Option 1
LBJ
Jimmy Butler
BI
Lonzo
Kuzma
#4 pick
Mo Wagner
Svi
Thomas Bryant
Josh Hart
2021 1st round
2023 1st round
2024 1st round
Bonga
Zubac
Caruso
Plus whatever FAs Rob could sign
Plus we could sign AD right now.
Versus
Option 2
LBJ
AD
Kuzma
Caruso
Plus what Rob could sign
So by the logic employed here... because we won a title.
100/100 times you take the second option?
100/100 times you recreate the 88 Dodgers because they won a championship? /sarcasm
Empirically in terms of talent and flexibility... option 1 is superior to option 2.
Just because the GM is extremely talented and is able to hack a win with option 2... doesn't mean you put yourself in the best possible scenario.
Rob is being praised because he was forced into working with option 2 and made it happen. If what he did wasn't hard... no one would be singing his praises over the national media all week long. Nor on this board.
He created something out of thin air that shouldn't have been possible.
There is more than one way to win a title... in fact there are infinite combinations in terms of probability.
The fact that Rob was able to solve one of the more difficult paths, does not mean that path was the only right one |
option 1 doesnt win a title no way no how |
This is not NFL or MLB if you have 2 Top 5 Players your chances of winning are pretty high |
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What the hell are you talking about? Isn't the goal to win a championship? You are just talking in circles. |
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BILBJH, another team could’ve traded for AD last season too whether his dad objected to it or not. Imagine we didn’t pull the trigger and Ainge emptied out and I mean emptied out his 2019 treasure chest except Tatum (Hayward, Brown, Smart, 5+ first rd picks, maybe even S&T rosier on top) and still has another max or close to 2 max if moved Hayward... NEXT to AD&Tatum, prob won their #18 
You don’t think AD wouldn’t want to stay with that squad?
And we know JimmyB ain’t about that 2nd or 3rd fiddle, he wasn’t coming to a sidekick gig.
Then we end up with LeBron and BI as our 2 max with Lonzo as our 3rd option $12-15m player, KCP at$9m, Kuz, Hart, ‘19 #4 pick, Caruso, FAs, going up against THAT Celtics
Nah bro, I think BI has a bright future but you do that trade 10 out of 10 |
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| Halflife wrote: | | Any chance we bring zo back. They don’t want him |
Would be nice but for what price tho, prob $10m ish, guess we could give Kuz’s money since Schroeder and Harrell are more priority re-sign |
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| Travis Bickle wrote: | | BILBJH wrote: |
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What the hell are you talking about? Isn't the goal to win a championship? You are just talking in circles. |
In the end, results are what matters. This does not mean that the process is exempt from scrutiny. But it does mean that it is a moot point now. Prudent or not, it worked, and we won a title. Still, this is LG, where re-litigation is a tradition. You can still get people worked up about the Odom for Boozer trade.
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| Quote: | | Sources: Boston and Charlotte have worked on a sign-and-trade for Gordon Hayward that would land Celtics a trade exception, but Hornets have first been trying to find a third team for Nic Batum's $27M contract to see if there's a way to avoid waiving-and-stretching his money. |
| Quote: | | New York is the one team with cap space to make this trade. IF one of their two reported $5 million deals (Nerlens Noel and Elfrid Payton) can use the $4.8M room exception, the Knicks could send back either Jacob Evans and Omari Spellman or Dennis Smith Jr. to stay under the cap. |
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| Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | Travis Bickle wrote: | | BILBJH wrote: |
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What the hell are you talking about? Isn't the goal to win a championship? You are just talking in circles. |
In the end, results are what matters. This does not mean that the process is exempt from scrutiny. But it does mean that it is a moot point now. Prudent or not, it worked, and we won a title. Still, this is LG, where re-litigation is a tradition. You can still get people worked up about the Odom for Boozer trade. |
We’re waiting for our 14&15th man signings, ceremonial, let us have our fun AH! We need the devil’s advocate view anyway, cooking the smallest turkey ever and zoom thanksgiving, ugh, might as well argue about BI-AD trade lol |
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| ocho wrote: | | Quote: | | Sources: Boston and Charlotte have worked on a sign-and-trade for Gordon Hayward that would land Celtics a trade exception, but Hornets have first been trying to find a third team for Nic Batum's $27M contract to see if there's a way to avoid waiving-and-stretching his money. |
| Quote: | | New York is the one team with cap space to make this trade. IF one of their two reported $5 million deals (Nerlens Noel and Elfrid Payton) can use the $4.8M room exception, the Knicks could send back either Jacob Evans and Omari Spellman or Dennis Smith Jr. to stay under the cap. |
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| Halflife wrote: | | Any chance we bring zo back. They don’t want him |
Lonzo is one of my favorite player but can a championship team have a ballhandling guard that shoot FT so poorly? He is worst then Shaq. He wouldn't be able to touch to ball in the last 2 minutes. |
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| Travis Bickle wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | Any chance we bring zo back. They don’t want him |
Lonzo is one of my favorite player but can a championship team have a ballhandling guard that shoot FT so poorly? He is worst then Shaq. He wouldn't be able to touch to ball in the last 2 minutes. |
Schroeder-Zo-Caruso be nice tho. Zo is big enough to slid into Wes’ spot too |
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| BILBJH wrote: |
What if instead of trading our youth and picks, we did something like sign Jimmy Butler?
Then we would have had
Option 1
LBJ
Jimmy Butler
BI
Lonzo
Kuzma
#4 pick
Mo Wagner
Svi
Thomas Bryant
Josh Hart
2021 1st round
2023 1st round
2024 1st round
Bonga
Zubac
Caruso
Plus whatever FAs Rob could sign
Plus we could sign AD right now. |
1 - Maybe you win the title with option 1, though the team would lack the post play and superior interior defense that led it this year . . . most likely, though, you fall short. AD gave us DPOY effort on one end and near MVP offense on the other. From an on-the-court perspective, AD >>>> BI+Zo+Svi+Hart+Mo+Bonga+all the picks.
2 - With LBJ (max) & JB (max), you couldn't sign AD (max) AND give BI the (max) he would expect. You couldn't sign AD without renouncing BI.
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| governator wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | Quote: | | Sources: Boston and Charlotte have worked on a sign-and-trade for Gordon Hayward that would land Celtics a trade exception, but Hornets have first been trying to find a third team for Nic Batum's $27M contract to see if there's a way to avoid waiving-and-stretching his money. |
| Quote: | | New York is the one team with cap space to make this trade. IF one of their two reported $5 million deals (Nerlens Noel and Elfrid Payton) can use the $4.8M room exception, the Knicks could send back either Jacob Evans and Omari Spellman or Dennis Smith Jr. to stay under the cap. |
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They’d receive draft consideration. A 1st or more. Batum expires after this season.
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| dcarter4kobe wrote: | | Justin Patton was just waived. Young Center I would love to bring in for a workout. |
Athletic late bloomer who can run the floor but have a lot setbacks due to injuries. I would think he would not mind to sit at the end of the bench and wait for his opportunity. |
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| ocho wrote: | | governator wrote: | | ocho wrote: | | Quote: | | Sources: Boston and Charlotte have worked on a sign-and-trade for Gordon Hayward that would land Celtics a trade exception, but Hornets have first been trying to find a third team for Nic Batum's $27M contract to see if there's a way to avoid waiving-and-stretching his money. |
| Quote: | | New York is the one team with cap space to make this trade. IF one of their two reported $5 million deals (Nerlens Noel and Elfrid Payton) can use the $4.8M room exception, the Knicks could send back either Jacob Evans and Omari Spellman or Dennis Smith Jr. to stay under the cap. |
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They’d receive draft consideration. A 1st or more. Batum expires after this season. |
Hornets 1st rder might be aight, $27m is a ton of money for owner to give up, looks like no Batum for us |
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| CRoost wrote: | | dcarter4kobe wrote: | | Justin Patton was just waived. Young Center I would love to bring in for a workout. |
Athletic late bloomer who can run the floor but have a lot setbacks due to injuries. I would think he would not mind to sit at the end of the bench and wait for his opportunity. |
We have room with Kostas and Cacok? Sign him then! |
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| Travis Bickle wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | Any chance we bring zo back. They don’t want him |
Lonzo is one of my favorite player but can a championship team have a ballhandling guard that shoot FT so poorly? He is worst then Shaq. He wouldn't be able to touch to ball in the last 2 minutes. |
That is an understatement. He could be one of the worst shooting guards in the history of the NBA. I know he tweaked his ugly form but who in their right mind thought it was ok to shoot side arm sling shot style. I blame his stupid dad, his high school coaches, etc. I mean, its ugly....no wonder why he can't hit a free throw. I believe he was on the bottom 5 in the NBA in free throw percentage.
Unless he got a really good shooting coach, Lonzo will never been any good except at passing and defense....a liability for sure, offensively. |
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| anth2000 wrote: | | Travis Bickle wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | Any chance we bring zo back. They don’t want him |
Lonzo is one of my favorite player but can a championship team have a ballhandling guard that shoot FT so poorly? He is worst then Shaq. He wouldn't be able to touch to ball in the last 2 minutes. |
That is an understatement. He could be one of the worst shooting guards in the history of the NBA. I know he tweaked his ugly form but who in their right mind thought it was ok to shoot side arm sling shot style. I blame his stupid dad, his high school coaches, etc. I mean, its ugly....no wonder why he can't hit a free throw. I believe he was on the bottom 5 in the NBA in free throw percentage.
Unless he got a really good shooting coach, Lonzo will never been any good except at passing and defense....a liability for sure, offensively. |
He’d be a fifth option on offense in the line up and Caruso close the games, he’d be a young Wes, 3&D |
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