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| Laker_Dynasty_01 wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | OCWA wrote: | | Best part of our organization is the scouting department yet here we sit. |
It's gotta be frustrating amassing all these players from a scouting department point of view only to see them traded away year after year. |
Philadelphia made 27 draft choices in the 5 drafts since they started their process (2014 thru 2018).
Only Korkomaz, Bolden, Simmons, and Embiid are on the team now. Embiid is the only one who received an extension, and he's one of the 2 best big men in the game.
Covington and McConnell (undrafted finds) make it 5 for 29 if you will, but considering the other all star doesn't fit with their big 4 (and 2 others barely play), the total could be 2 for 29 by the trade deadline.
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I forgot Zhaire Smith, he was injured and spent most of the year in the G-League. |
If we had an Embiid level player, we would not likely be trading him.
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If they kept that entire team they’d be a questionable playoff team at best. DLo was an all star replacement. Randle will be going to yet another team. Saying ball will be an all star when he’s been hurt and a non offensive threat his first two years is a rose colored projection.
If there were any dame lilliards or embiids there, they’d be extended.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Laker_Dynasty_01 wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | OCWA wrote: | | Best part of our organization is the scouting department yet here we sit. |
It's gotta be frustrating amassing all these players from a scouting department point of view only to see them traded away year after year. |
Philadelphia made 27 draft choices in the 5 drafts since they started their process (2014 thru 2018).
Only Korkomaz, Bolden, Simmons, and Embiid are on the team now. Embiid is the only one who received an extension, and he's one of the 2 best big men in the game.
Covington and McConnell (undrafted finds) make it 5 for 29 if you will, but considering the other all star doesn't fit with their big 4 (and 2 others barely play), the total could be 2 for 29 by the trade deadline.
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I forgot Zhaire Smith, he was injured and spent most of the year in the G-League. |
If we had an Embiid level player, we would not likely be trading him. |
Yep yep. Wasn't that Hinkie's whole plan? Keep tanking till you get legit superstar talent, and if the guys you get aren't that, get rid of them. The Lakers never got that superstar talent. Fortunately they were able to trade what they had for one so it worked out. |
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yinoma2001
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| lakers4life78 wrote: | If they kept that entire team they’d be a questionable playoff team at best. DLo was an all star replacement. Randle will be going to yet another team. Saying ball will be an all star when he’s been hurt and a non offensive threat his first two years is a rose colored projection.
If there were any dame lilliards or embiids there, they’d be extended. |
If we had an all star "replacement" on this team we'd be hyping him up as the next greatest thing since sliced bread. The amount of side-stepping just to poo poo the kid is beyond me.
I do still think DLO was/is the best prospect of the bunch. If I had them in order (top 5):
1. DLO
2. Lonzo
3. BI
4. Jules
5. Who cares...
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| Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2019 5:40 am Post subject: Re: Lakers Drafted 13 Players in Past 5 Years (Only 1 Extension Given) |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | Lakers drafted 13 players since 2014.
-Julius Randle
-Jordan Clarkson
-D’Angelo Russell
-Larry Nance Jr.
-Anthony Brown
-Brandon Ingram
-Ivica Zubac
-Lonzo Ball
-Kyle Kuzma
-Josh Hart
-Moe Wagner
-Svi Mykhailiuk
-Isaac Bonga
Pretty staggering that out of all of them:
1. only JC got an extension (nearly 50m over 4 years).
2. Kuz likely only one who will stay (Bonga/Wags possibly gone).
If this was our Process, the turnover is staggering. |
Imaginary Team comes calling and told the Lakers will trade u LBJ and AD, but it will cost u Randle, Dlo, Nance, Bi, Zu, Ball, Hart and Svi and 3 1st.
Where do I sign 🙂 |
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yinoma2001
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| Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2019 5:41 am Post subject: Re: Lakers Drafted 13 Players in Past 5 Years (Only 1 Extension Given) |
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| DLaker wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | Lakers drafted 13 players since 2014.
-Julius Randle
-Jordan Clarkson
-D’Angelo Russell
-Larry Nance Jr.
-Anthony Brown
-Brandon Ingram
-Ivica Zubac
-Lonzo Ball
-Kyle Kuzma
-Josh Hart
-Moe Wagner
-Svi Mykhailiuk
-Isaac Bonga
Pretty staggering that out of all of them:
1. only JC got an extension (nearly 50m over 4 years).
2. Kuz likely only one who will stay (Bonga/Wags possibly gone).
If this was our Process, the turnover is staggering. |
Imaginary Team comes calling and told the Lakers will trade u LBJ and AD, but it will cost u Randle, Dlo, Nance, Bi, Zu, Ball, Hart and Svi and 3 1st.
Where do I sign 🙂 |
The two guys we could and should still have had (and we wouldn't be thinking of wasting cap space on centers) are Zub/Bryant. They would be our center tandem with AD closing out games.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | I do still think DLO was/is the best prospect of the bunch. If I had them in order (top 5):
1. DLO
2. Lonzo
3. BI
4. Jules
5. Who cares... |
Out of the youngsters we lost, I got em ranked:
1. BI
2. DLo
3. Zo
4. Jules
None of them will reach MVP-level franchise player level imo.
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| LandsbergerRules wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | I do still think DLO was/is the best prospect of the bunch. If I had them in order (top 5):
1. DLO
2. Lonzo
3. BI
4. Jules
5. Who cares... |
Out of the youngsters we lost, I got em ranked:
1. BI
2. DLo
3. Zo
4. Jules |
It'll be interesting to see how much they let BI dominate the ball on the Pels with Zion/Jrue/Zo all needing touches. They completely lack shooting which seems to plague BI/ZO teams and Zion didn't have many marksmen on Duke too.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2019 5:45 am Post subject: Re: Lakers Drafted 13 Players in Past 5 Years (Only 1 Extension Given) |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | DLaker wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | Lakers drafted 13 players since 2014.
-Julius Randle
-Jordan Clarkson
-D’Angelo Russell
-Larry Nance Jr.
-Anthony Brown
-Brandon Ingram
-Ivica Zubac
-Lonzo Ball
-Kyle Kuzma
-Josh Hart
-Moe Wagner
-Svi Mykhailiuk
-Isaac Bonga
Pretty staggering that out of all of them:
1. only JC got an extension (nearly 50m over 4 years).
2. Kuz likely only one who will stay (Bonga/Wags possibly gone).
If this was our Process, the turnover is staggering. |
Imaginary Team comes calling and told the Lakers will trade u LBJ and AD, but it will cost u Randle, Dlo, Nance, Bi, Zu, Ball, Hart and Svi and 3 1st.
Where do I sign 🙂 |
The two guys we could and should still have had (and we wouldn't be thinking of wasting cap space on centers) are Zub/Bryant. They would be our center tandem with AD closing out games. |
Are Zu and Bryant deal breakers for u yinoma  and ur hanging up the phone. |
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yinoma2001
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| Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2019 5:46 am Post subject: Re: Lakers Drafted 13 Players in Past 5 Years (Only 1 Extension Given) |
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| DLaker wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | DLaker wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | Lakers drafted 13 players since 2014.
-Julius Randle
-Jordan Clarkson
-D’Angelo Russell
-Larry Nance Jr.
-Anthony Brown
-Brandon Ingram
-Ivica Zubac
-Lonzo Ball
-Kyle Kuzma
-Josh Hart
-Moe Wagner
-Svi Mykhailiuk
-Isaac Bonga
Pretty staggering that out of all of them:
1. only JC got an extension (nearly 50m over 4 years).
2. Kuz likely only one who will stay (Bonga/Wags possibly gone).
If this was our Process, the turnover is staggering. |
Imaginary Team comes calling and told the Lakers will trade u LBJ and AD, but it will cost u Randle, Dlo, Nance, Bi, Zu, Ball, Hart and Svi and 3 1st.
Where do I sign 🙂 |
The two guys we could and should still have had (and we wouldn't be thinking of wasting cap space on centers) are Zub/Bryant. They would be our center tandem with AD closing out games. |
Are Zu and Bryant deal breakers for u yinoma and ur hanging up the phone. |
No, but it's not that binary. We let Bryant go for no reason. Zub, we did it for Muscala who was a dud. Those weren't necessary to get AD/LBJ. It's a false choice you're presenting.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2019 5:49 am Post subject: Re: Lakers Drafted 13 Players in Past 5 Years (Only 1 Extension Given) |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | DLaker wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | DLaker wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | Lakers drafted 13 players since 2014.
-Julius Randle
-Jordan Clarkson
-D’Angelo Russell
-Larry Nance Jr.
-Anthony Brown
-Brandon Ingram
-Ivica Zubac
-Lonzo Ball
-Kyle Kuzma
-Josh Hart
-Moe Wagner
-Svi Mykhailiuk
-Isaac Bonga
Pretty staggering that out of all of them:
1. only JC got an extension (nearly 50m over 4 years).
2. Kuz likely only one who will stay (Bonga/Wags possibly gone).
If this was our Process, the turnover is staggering. |
Imaginary Team comes calling and told the Lakers will trade u LBJ and AD, but it will cost u Randle, Dlo, Nance, Bi, Zu, Ball, Hart and Svi and 3 1st.
Where do I sign 🙂 |
The two guys we could and should still have had (and we wouldn't be thinking of wasting cap space on centers) are Zub/Bryant. They would be our center tandem with AD closing out games. |
Are Zu and Bryant deal breakers for u yinoma and ur hanging up the phone. |
No, but it's not that binary. We let Bryant go for no reason. Zub, we did it for Muscala who was a dud. Those weren't necessary to get AD/LBJ. It's a false choice you're presenting. |
I agree I just having fun and looking at it in a different prospective as a whole. You know what is funny is if we sign DLo and Randle dis off season making that package look way worse. just happy to see LBJ and AD together |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2019 6:06 am Post subject: Re: Lakers Drafted 13 Players in Past 5 Years (Only 1 Extension Given) |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | DLaker wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | DLaker wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | Lakers drafted 13 players since 2014.
-Julius Randle
-Jordan Clarkson
-D’Angelo Russell
-Larry Nance Jr.
-Anthony Brown
-Brandon Ingram
-Ivica Zubac
-Lonzo Ball
-Kyle Kuzma
-Josh Hart
-Moe Wagner
-Svi Mykhailiuk
-Isaac Bonga
Pretty staggering that out of all of them:
1. only JC got an extension (nearly 50m over 4 years).
2. Kuz likely only one who will stay (Bonga/Wags possibly gone).
If this was our Process, the turnover is staggering. |
Imaginary Team comes calling and told the Lakers will trade u LBJ and AD, but it will cost u Randle, Dlo, Nance, Bi, Zu, Ball, Hart and Svi and 3 1st.
Where do I sign 🙂 |
The two guys we could and should still have had (and we wouldn't be thinking of wasting cap space on centers) are Zub/Bryant. They would be our center tandem with AD closing out games. |
Are Zu and Bryant deal breakers for u yinoma and ur hanging up the phone. |
No, but it's not that binary. We let Bryant go for no reason. Zub, we did it for Muscala who was a dud. Those weren't necessary to get AD/LBJ. It's a false choice you're presenting. |
I agree, I’m just having fun and looking at it in a different prospective as a whole. You know what is funny, if somehow sign DLo and Randle this off season making that package look way worse. just happy to see LBJ and AD together |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2019 7:36 am Post subject: Re: Lakers Drafted 13 Players in Past 5 Years (Only 1 Extension Given) |
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| DLaker wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | DLaker wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | DLaker wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | Lakers drafted 13 players since 2014.
-Julius Randle
-Jordan Clarkson
-D’Angelo Russell
-Larry Nance Jr.
-Anthony Brown
-Brandon Ingram
-Ivica Zubac
-Lonzo Ball
-Kyle Kuzma
-Josh Hart
-Moe Wagner
-Svi Mykhailiuk
-Isaac Bonga
Pretty staggering that out of all of them:
1. only JC got an extension (nearly 50m over 4 years).
2. Kuz likely only one who will stay (Bonga/Wags possibly gone).
If this was our Process, the turnover is staggering. |
Imaginary Team comes calling and told the Lakers will trade u LBJ and AD, but it will cost u Randle, Dlo, Nance, Bi, Zu, Ball, Hart and Svi and 3 1st.
Where do I sign 🙂 |
The two guys we could and should still have had (and we wouldn't be thinking of wasting cap space on centers) are Zub/Bryant. They would be our center tandem with AD closing out games. |
Are Zu and Bryant deal breakers for u yinoma and ur hanging up the phone. |
No, but it's not that binary. We let Bryant go for no reason. Zub, we did it for Muscala who was a dud. Those weren't necessary to get AD/LBJ. It's a false choice you're presenting. |
I agree, I’m just having fun and looking at it in a different prospective as a whole. You know what is funny, if somehow sign DLo and Randle this off season making that package look way worse. just happy to see LBJ and AD together |
Look at it from another perspective - would you make this trade if LeBron wasn't here? Would you make the trade if you had to include Kuzma too? If there were no restrictions, how many additional draft picks would you have been willing to add before walking away? |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | LandsbergerRules wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | I do still think DLO was/is the best prospect of the bunch. If I had them in order (top 5):
1. DLO
2. Lonzo
3. BI
4. Jules
5. Who cares... |
Out of the youngsters we lost, I got em ranked:
1. BI
2. DLo
3. Zo
4. Jules |
It'll be interesting to see how much they let BI dominate the ball on the Pels with Zion/Jrue/Zo all needing touches. They completely lack shooting which seems to plague BI/ZO teams and Zion didn't have many marksmen on Duke too. |
I think E'Twaun Moore will eventually start over Lonzo for that reason.
If Lonzo doesn't come out hot, Lavar will be on Undisputed talking about a master plan of getting Lonzo traded to a bad team so they can win the lottery and draft future MVP LaMelo. Because that's the real championship next year. |
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| OCWA wrote: | | I have two words since it looks like we are desperate for bodies to fill out a roster. Liangelo Ball. |
Desperate, not cheeseburger desperate.
Bye.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2019 9:28 am Post subject: Re: Lakers Drafted 13 Players in Past 5 Years (Only 1 Extension Given) |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | DLaker wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | DLaker wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | Lakers drafted 13 players since 2014.
-Julius Randle
-Jordan Clarkson
-D’Angelo Russell
-Larry Nance Jr.
-Anthony Brown
-Brandon Ingram
-Ivica Zubac
-Lonzo Ball
-Kyle Kuzma
-Josh Hart
-Moe Wagner
-Svi Mykhailiuk
-Isaac Bonga
Pretty staggering that out of all of them:
1. only JC got an extension (nearly 50m over 4 years).
2. Kuz likely only one who will stay (Bonga/Wags possibly gone).
If this was our Process, the turnover is staggering. |
Imaginary Team comes calling and told the Lakers will trade u LBJ and AD, but it will cost u Randle, Dlo, Nance, Bi, Zu, Ball, Hart and Svi and 3 1st.
Where do I sign 🙂 |
The two guys we could and should still have had (and we wouldn't be thinking of wasting cap space on centers) are Zub/Bryant. They would be our center tandem with AD closing out games. |
Are Zu and Bryant deal breakers for u yinoma and ur hanging up the phone. |
No, but it's not that binary. We let Bryant go for no reason. Zub, we did it for Muscala who was a dud. Those weren't necessary to get AD/LBJ. It's a false choice you're presenting. |
Well we were going to lose Zub anyways. He is a Restricted Free Agent and is probably going to make more than his qualifying offer of 2 mil.
Thomas Bryant- I was scratching my head when they cut him for nothing. And Im still scratching my head almost a year later. |
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Bryant would be a great fit right now. Still don't understand why we let him go.
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| Bryant isn't on the list, so I guess it's 14 players... pretty crazy! |
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| As it was in the 90's, "rebuilding" means killing time until the big free agent is inked. Then you can proceed with tearing apart the team. |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2019 10:52 am Post subject: Re: Lakers Drafted 13 Players in Past 5 Years (Only 1 Extension Given) |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | Lakers drafted 13 players since 2014.
-Julius Randle
-Jordan Clarkson
-D’Angelo Russell
-Larry Nance Jr.
-Anthony Brown
-Brandon Ingram
-Ivica Zubac
-Lonzo Ball
-Kyle Kuzma
-Josh Hart
-Moe Wagner
-Svi Mykhailiuk
-Isaac Bonga
Pretty staggering that out of all of them:
1. only JC got an extension (nearly 50m over 4 years).
2. Kuz likely only one who will stay (Bonga/Wags possibly gone).
If this was our Process, the turnover is staggering. |
Both Kuz and JC were drafted way below their skill (as was Kobe if you want to get ancient). While it shouldn't, I think that matters a lot in how their narratives are shaped, although once JC got paid all bets were off on that front.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Laker_Dynasty_01 wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | OCWA wrote: | | Best part of our organization is the scouting department yet here we sit. |
It's gotta be frustrating amassing all these players from a scouting department point of view only to see them traded away year after year. |
Philadelphia made 27 draft choices in the 5 drafts since they started their process (2014 thru 2018).
Only Korkomaz, Bolden, Simmons, and Embiid are on the team now. Embiid is the only one who received an extension, and he's one of the 2 best big men in the game.
Covington and McConnell (undrafted finds) make it 5 for 29 if you will, but considering the other all star doesn't fit with their big 4 (and 2 others barely play), the total could be 2 for 29 by the trade deadline.
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I forgot Zhaire Smith, he was injured and spent most of the year in the G-League. |
If we had an Embiid level player, we would not likely be trading him. |
This should be the overarching slogan of our player development policy  |
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| greenfrog wrote: | | As it was in the 90's, "rebuilding" means killing time until the big free agent is inked. Then you can proceed with tearing apart the team. |
I was bummed about Peeler going out. He was a sniper by 96. I was not so bummed to see Lynch go.
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Imagine you were watching a television show for over 40 years with 82 two hour episodes each season.
It was super exciting the first 40 years... but the last six years the show took a turn for the worse after some stars retired.
The show wasn't great but it was interesting and you enjoyed watching the new cast members as they developed the story.
Then they hired the biggest movie star in Hollywood to take over the show...
He decides midseason that the entire cast has got to go.
So you spent 1000 hours of suffering through the show over 6 years... only see the cast get fired.
I realize this isn't the perfect analogy... but perhaps it communicates the frustration of investing all that time in something only to have it arbitrarily changed.
I'm not talking about cutting the cast in half... I'm talking about complete reboot.
Most people spent 70 hours watching Game of Thrones.
People spent 6 hours watching the first Star Wars trilogy only to be pissed at the next 6 hours.
Imagine if in its final year... the producers fired the entire cast of Thrones and replaced them with Chris Hemsworth and Robert Downey Jr.
These men are good actors and huge box office stars but it would still be annoying to see them change everyone after watching 1000 hours.
I get that it's possible that maybe the show is better after the cast change.
But when you change everyone... it's also possible it can be worse
The hiring of these two movie stars cost so much money that we will have little budget to buy new actors for possibly 7 or 8 years.
Again... not an exact analogy... but I think it conveys the frustration at investing enormous amounts of time into a product... only for it to be changed not necessarily for the better. |
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| LandsbergerRules wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | I do still think DLO was/is the best prospect of the bunch. If I had them in order (top 5):
1. DLO
2. Lonzo
3. BI
4. Jules
5. Who cares... |
Out of the youngsters we lost, I got em ranked:
1. BI
2. DLo
3. Zo
4. Jules
None of them will reach MVP-level franchise player level imo. |
BI sux and cannot help Lakers to sell Jersey. Enough said. |
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Unfortunately, most of the guys we picked didn't earn big money extensions and needed to go before that came to a head.
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