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How good is the 2015 draft class? |
Horrific (2000 status) |
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Average |
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13% |
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Above Average |
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40% |
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Good |
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37% |
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Transcendent (2003/1996/1984 status) |
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8% |
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Don Draper Retired Number
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Posted: Thu May 28, 2015 6:35 am Post subject: How good is the 2015 draft class? |
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Especially compared to say, the 2014 draft class? Doing my own research I've seen people say that it's average, all the way to being way better than last year's draft and equivalent to years like 2008.
It did get me thinking though: how much hype about the draft is due to the fact that we actually have a great pick? Would we be excited if this were the 2013 draft class? Probably not...though I can envision the Anthony Bennett threads.
So is this a good draft, or an average one? A shallow draft or a deep one? More similar to 2008 or 2013? Better than the hyped 2014 class or worse? I'm interested in what you have to say... |
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Chronicle Retired Number
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Posted: Thu May 28, 2015 6:46 am Post subject: |
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I just love the word Transcendent
but it's a deep draft. Although probably being a bit overrated on LG because we finally have picks lol. I think there's gonna be an all star or three outside of the lottery. _________________ Kobe |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Thu May 28, 2015 8:18 am Post subject: |
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I think in between above average/good. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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GoldenThroat Moderator
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Posted: Thu May 28, 2015 8:49 am Post subject: |
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It's top heavy. The Top 3 is better than most years, and 4-10 is solid as well. 10-20 is average, and I think it drops off precipitously after that, relative to other drafts.
That said, there are several Euros and other ferners who are projected in the 2nd Round that I haven't seen. |
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marga86 Star Player
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Posted: Thu May 28, 2015 8:52 am Post subject: |
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top 5-6 players are pretty darn good I think.
It's definitely better than the last few drafts.. I'd say its between above average and good. |
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Dave20 Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu May 28, 2015 10:48 am Post subject: |
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The most talented draft since 2003. I think there will be 4 to 6 franchise players, better prospects then Melo and Bosh. |
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KeepItRealOrElse Retired Number
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Posted: Thu May 28, 2015 10:55 am Post subject: |
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I think this 1st round is very very good. not a transcendent draft, but i see a lot of solid players, almost no busts from 10-25. and 1-8 are very strong. so all around,a great first round IMO. |
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Mike@LG Moderator
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Posted: Thu May 28, 2015 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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Top 3 heavy. Top 10 moderate. Average through 35. Then severe drop off.
Nowhere near as deep as 2013, where I felt 1st round material were going undrafted or slipping late 2nd. That's probably why the NBDL is better quality basketball right now. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
https://lakersdraft.substack.com/
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Don Draper Retired Number
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Posted: Fri May 29, 2015 7:34 am Post subject: |
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Mike@LG wrote: | Top 3 heavy. Top 10 moderate. Average through 35. Then severe drop off.
Nowhere near as deep as 2013, where I felt 1st round material were going undrafted or slipping late 2nd. That's probably why the NBDL is better quality basketball right now. |
Interesting. How do you rate the Top 3 vs other drafts, like say 2003/2004/2008/2009?
For the record:
2003:
LeBron James
Darko
Carmelo Anthony
2004:
Dwight Howard
Emeka Okafor
Ben Gordon
2008:
Derrick Rose
Michael Beasely
OJ Mayo
(Westbrook and Love drafted next)
2009:
Blake Griffin
Hasheem Thabeet
James Harden |
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kaoss128 Franchise Player
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Posted: Fri May 29, 2015 8:50 am Post subject: |
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I think it's one of the more deeper lotteries we've seen. But after that a it's a steep drop off. |
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Mike@LG Moderator
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Posted: Fri May 29, 2015 10:16 am Post subject: |
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Don Draper wrote: | Mike@LG wrote: | Top 3 heavy. Top 10 moderate. Average through 35. Then severe drop off.
Nowhere near as deep as 2013, where I felt 1st round material were going undrafted or slipping late 2nd. That's probably why the NBDL is better quality basketball right now. |
Interesting. How do you rate the Top 3 vs other drafts, like say 2003/2004/2008/2009?
For the record:
2003:
LeBron James
Darko
Carmelo Anthony
2004:
Dwight Howard
Emeka Okafor
Ben Gordon
2008:
Derrick Rose
Michael Beasely
OJ Mayo
(Westbrook and Love drafted next)
2009:
Blake Griffin
Hasheem Thabeet
James Harden |
From the perspective of who each player was perceived coming into the draft, talent-wise, it's closer to 2009.
I say that because if you look further down the draft list for each year, some years have more star-laden depth than others. In terms of just top 3, it resembles 2004 the most, except Emeka Okafor wasn't a freshman, but an established 2-way post player with mid-range game. Defensive abilities on par with Duncan. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
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kikanga Retired Number
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Posted: Sat May 30, 2015 7:23 am Post subject: |
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I think at least 3 players in the top 10 of this draft will be multi-year all stars.
I voted for good. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better” |
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Don Draper Retired Number
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Posted: Sat May 30, 2015 10:43 pm Post subject: |
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So based on the results so far, it looks like people are thinking this draft will be on about the same level as 2008/2009. Not bad at all. |
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70sdude Star Player
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Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2015 7:58 am Post subject: |
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I wish that ratings like this could be done in a meaningful way but it's not possible because they're not. A draft class is only good in terms of how good it is compared to other classes, and that's a basis we can't summon very well.
We could rate this draft class to past ones but it's meaningless because there's no chance for a common basis. We can't do it because we've already homogenized our old (suppressed) pre-draft opinions, our old real fears, convictions, projections. We use the subsequent knowledge of how the picks pan out in a year, in four years and beyond and we dont accurately recall - unbiased by experience - what was actually felt nor how strongly we felt it on a pre-draft basis. |
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