He has made his leap, he is who he will be. He isn’t some 18 yo player, his ceiling is where he is. I would expect some refinement around the edges but gaining strength and endurance should be his targets. He definitely is a rotational player.
When did Draymond Green make his leap?
Marc Gasol?
Ben Wallace?
When did Smush Parker make his leap? Kwame Brown? Luke Walton?
I’m being facetious about those guys, obviously. The point is that a lot of guys don’t ever make much of a leap. For every Ben Wallace, there are a dozen Chris Mihms. When I look at Austin Reaves, I see a guy who hustles and brings energy. That’s a good thing. But I also see a guy without special athleticism. I’m glad we got him. I wouldn’t count on him becoming Draymond Green, though. _________________ Internet Argument Resolved
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Posted: Fri May 13, 2022 7:56 pm Post subject:
Aeneas Hunter wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
He has made his leap, he is who he will be. He isn’t some 18 yo player, his ceiling is where he is. I would expect some refinement around the edges but gaining strength and endurance should be his targets. He definitely is a rotational player.
When did Draymond Green make his leap?
Marc Gasol?
Ben Wallace?
When did Smush Parker make his leap? Kwame Brown? Luke Walton?
I’m being facetious about those guys, obviously. The point is that a lot of guys don’t ever make much of a leap. For every Ben Wallace, there are a dozen Chris Mihms. When I look at Austin Reaves, I see a guy who hustles and brings energy. That’s a good thing. But I also see a guy without special athleticism. I’m glad we got him. I wouldn’t count on him becoming Draymond Green, though.
What did you think of Caruso’s athleticism? _________________ Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:
I'd give Caruso the edge over Reaves, but they're comparable. However, it's important to remember that Caruso isn't a two-way player. Almost all of his value is on defense. He isn't a ballhandler or a shooter. He's got a niche. Could Reaves do something similar? Sure, it's possible. But understand that my comments about Reaves are in the context of the OP's theory that Reaves could be a 17/5/5 guy next year and an MIP candidate. Caruso's not doing that. _________________ Internet Argument Resolved
We live in an era where Max Strus is a starter on an ECF team. So I wouldn’t write off anyone like Reaves as just a role player.
The Heat have 4 undrafted players on their playoff roster (Dedmon, Strus, Robinson, Martin). Talk about finding gems. I do feel like we are in an era where it's easier for players to know what they have to work on to thrive on teams. A lot of these systems are becoming plug and play. That's why I think a coach like Atkinson will be good for his development.
We live in an era where Max Strus is a starter on an ECF team. So I wouldn’t write off anyone like Reaves as just a role player.
The Heat have 4 undrafted players on their playoff roster (Dedmon, Strus, Robinson, Martin). Talk about finding gems. I do feel like we are in an era where it's easier for players to know what they have to work on to thrive on teams. A lot of these systems are becoming plug and play. That's why I think a coach like Atkinson will be good for his development.
Oh God, the Dubs are gonna win it all again this year. I can feel it in my bones. I live in Oakland. I gotta endure countless bandwagoners posturing. Both for being a Lakers fan... And for living in Oakland.. "yo bro, they're back home in San Francisco."
Same idiots who wouldn't recognize Chris Mullin if he showed up wearing his old warriors jersey.
We live in an era where Max Strus is a starter on an ECF team. So I wouldn’t write off anyone like Reaves as just a role player.
The Heat have 4 undrafted players on their playoff roster (Dedmon, Strus, Robinson, Martin). Talk about finding gems. I do feel like we are in an era where it's easier for players to know what they have to work on to thrive on teams. A lot of these systems are becoming plug and play. That's why I think a coach like Atkinson will be good for his development.
And they also found Nunn a couple years ago who also was undrafted. Strus story is crazy. Played his first 2 college years at D2 Lewis. Then transfers to DePaul. Undrafted. Then finds his way into being a starter by his 3rd NBA season on the best team in the East. Miami def knows what to look for and how to piece together a functioning team. I’m still surprised a team starting Strus, Vincent, and Tucker can be this good.
We live in an era where Max Strus is a starter on an ECF team. So I wouldn’t write off anyone like Reaves as just a role player.
The Heat have 4 undrafted players on their playoff roster (Dedmon, Strus, Robinson, Martin). Talk about finding gems. I do feel like we are in an era where it's easier for players to know what they have to work on to thrive on teams. A lot of these systems are becoming plug and play. That's why I think a coach like Atkinson will be good for his development.
gabe vincent also
Wow. Forgot about him. So 1/3rd of their roster is undrafted.
We live in an era where Max Strus is a starter on an ECF team. So I wouldn’t write off anyone like Reaves as just a role player.
The Heat have 4 undrafted players on their playoff roster (Dedmon, Strus, Robinson, Martin). Talk about finding gems. I do feel like we are in an era where it's easier for players to know what they have to work on to thrive on teams. A lot of these systems are becoming plug and play. That's why I think a coach like Atkinson will be good for his development.
And they also found Nunn a couple years ago who also was undrafted. Strus story is crazy. Played his first 2 college years at D2 Lewis. Then transfers to DePaul. Undrafted. Then finds his way into being a starter by his 3rd NBA season on the best team in the East. Miami def knows what to look for and how to piece together a functioning team. I’m still surprised a team starting Strus, Vincent, and Tucker can be this good.
Yeah, Miami has an excellent program. I don't think anyone expected them to finish as the top seed and then make the ECF.
We live in an era where Max Strus is a starter on an ECF team. So I wouldn’t write off anyone like Reaves as just a role player.
The Heat have 4 undrafted players on their playoff roster (Dedmon, Strus, Robinson, Martin). Talk about finding gems. I do feel like we are in an era where it's easier for players to know what they have to work on to thrive on teams. A lot of these systems are becoming plug and play. That's why I think a coach like Atkinson will be good for his development.
gabe vincent also
Wow. Forgot about him. So 1/3rd of their roster is undrafted.
Not just the Heat, many late picks and second rounders are getting minutes in this year playoffs.
Modern NBA
1. Draft picks are not as important as before except no.1-3
2. College talents are much more even
3. Scouts and players development play a more important role
4. 3 pointers = layups
We live in an era where Max Strus is a starter on an ECF team. So I wouldn’t write off anyone like Reaves as just a role player.
The Heat have 4 undrafted players on their playoff roster (Dedmon, Strus, Robinson, Martin). Talk about finding gems. I do feel like we are in an era where it's easier for players to know what they have to work on to thrive on teams. A lot of these systems are becoming plug and play. That's why I think a coach like Atkinson will be good for his development.
And they also found Nunn a couple years ago who also was undrafted. Strus story is crazy. Played his first 2 college years at D2 Lewis. Then transfers to DePaul. Undrafted. Then finds his way into being a starter by his 3rd NBA season on the best team in the East. Miami def knows what to look for and how to piece together a functioning team. I’m still surprised a team starting Strus, Vincent, and Tucker can be this good.
Yeah, Miami has an excellent program. I don't think anyone expected them to finish as the top seed and then make the ECF.
Getting TJ Tucker is the difference. The Bucks will pay the price.
We live in an era where Max Strus is a starter on an ECF team. So I wouldn’t write off anyone like Reaves as just a role player.
The Heat have 4 undrafted players on their playoff roster (Dedmon, Strus, Robinson, Martin). Talk about finding gems. I do feel like we are in an era where it's easier for players to know what they have to work on to thrive on teams. A lot of these systems are becoming plug and play. That's why I think a coach like Atkinson will be good for his development.
gabe vincent also
Wow. Forgot about him. So 1/3rd of their roster is undrafted.
Not just the Heat, many late picks and second rounders are getting minutes in this year playoffs.
Modern NBA
1. Draft picks are not as important as before except no.1-3
2. College talents are much more even
3. Scouts and players development play a more important role
4. 3 pointers = layups
Yeah. I've been high on young talent for a while. The number of 1st/2nd year players contributing today is simply astounding. Seems like it's much easier for players to transition to modern offenses because of the 3pt shot. There are less baseline requirements, but a much bigger talent pool. Hard not to see the Lakers taking advantage of this, given their lack of draft picks in the next few years. Feels like it's no longer an old man's game. The Mavs are essentially Luka and a bunch of 2nd rounders / undrafted players who mastered the 5 out offense.
Hornacek was very highly regarded coming out of college and slipped to the 2nd Round in an era where most pro scouts rarely saw players who played outside of the Eastern Time Zone if their teams weren't in the NCAA tourney.
Reaves was undrafted and doesn't seem to have the polish that Hornacek (a coach's son) had, but Reaves is bigger and has basketball genes (both of his parents high level college hoops).
To have a Hornacek level impact, AR will need to tighten his handle and his jumper. He might be able to do it. _________________ On Lakersground, a concern troll is someone who is a fan of another team, but pretends to be a Lakers fan with "concerns".
Reaves makes quick decisions that put him in good position most plays on both sides. Good vision, good touch, plays with miles of heart. Just a hooper. He’s not strong enough, is inconsistent with his long ball, and needs to improve as a PnR ball handler.
Shoot 38%+ long, develop more downhill gravity while showing you can hit the corner man, then you have something. IMO, all of these thing are attainable for Reaves if he proves to be a tireless worker. We’ll see what he’s added come end of the year. _________________ Austin Reaves keeps his game tight, like Kobe Bryant on game night.
Hornacek was very highly regarded coming out of college and slipped to the 2nd Round in an era where most pro scouts rarely saw players who played outside of the Eastern Time Zone if their teams weren't in the NCAA tourney.
Reaves was undrafted and doesn't seem to have the polish that Hornacek (a coach's son) had, but Reaves is bigger and has basketball genes (both of his parents high level college hoops).
To have a Hornacek level impact, AR will need to tighten his handle and his jumper. He might be able to do it.
That's his max upside. Hornacek was a phenomenal player.
Reaves makes quick decisions that put him in good position most plays on both sides. Good vision, good touch, plays with miles of heart. Just a hooper. He’s not strong enough, is inconsistent with his long ball, and needs to improve as a PnR ball handler.
Shoot 38%+ long, develop more downhill gravity while showing you can hit the corner man, then you have something. IMO, all of these thing are attainable for Reaves if he proves to be a tireless worker. We’ll see what he’s added come end of the year.
I think adding strength and improving his speed is the key to Reaves success. With the proper training he can 100% improve on strength and marginally on speed.
The results will be a more consistent 3 pt shot and if he works with a guy like Phil Handy then he can improve his dribble. It's all about the pacing and deceptiveness of a cross over that can help him get by defenders.
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Posted: Sat May 14, 2022 1:53 pm Post subject:
Aeneas Hunter wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
He has made his leap, he is who he will be. He isn’t some 18 yo player, his ceiling is where he is. I would expect some refinement around the edges but gaining strength and endurance should be his targets. He definitely is a rotational player.
When did Draymond Green make his leap?
Marc Gasol?
Ben Wallace?
When did Smush Parker make his leap? Kwame Brown? Luke Walton?
I’m being facetious about those guys, obviously. The point is that a lot of guys don’t ever make much of a leap. For every Ben Wallace, there are a dozen Chris Mihms. When I look at Austin Reaves, I see a guy who hustles and brings energy. That’s a good thing. But I also see a guy without special athleticism. I’m glad we got him. I wouldn’t count on him becoming Draymond Green, though.
It just sounds like you rule out improvement leaps based on age.
Frankly, there's a lot of reasons guys don't improve much once they're in the L, but I never think that Reaves has felt like he "made it" and "will settle down since he made it."
Can't say the same of the aforementioned guys you listed. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
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