No different than you guys using blocks to determine whether a player is a good defender, which Myles Turner is NOT.
1) it is different
2) you are correct, lots of blocks or steals does not mean someone is a good defender.
3) talking about jump ball win percentage is pointless
4) you will likely get what you want this season. With these players we will go nowhere. Most of them will be gone next year.
No different than you guys using blocks to determine whether a player is a good defender, which Myles Turner is NOT.
Blocks and steals are one way of measuring defense, but you are right in that they don't give the full picture. There have often been guys who are good at gambling for steals while playing poor positional defense, or good at blocking shots but unable to defend the pick and roll or down low, etc. There are other metrics though.
Only two Pacers had a better defensive rating that Turner last season, Jackson and York. York played 2 games. Turner's 111 was a full three points better than the next pacer.
He was #1 in Defensive Win Shares on the Pacers last season per Basketball-reference. 0.1 better than Sabonis and 0.5 higher than any other Pacer. He was second in overall win shares on the team after Sabonis last season.
NBA.com's defensive win shares has him #3 on the team.
He also was top of the team in Defensive BPM unless you count York and Caver who played in 1 and 2 games total.
In Defensive RPM he ranked #24 out of 85 centers. In overall RPM he ranked #15 out of 85 centers.
In NBA.com's defensive rating he ranked behind Martin, Sabonis, Lamb, and Duarte on the Pacers, but ahead of 18 other guys on their roster last year. This is discounting the temporary 1, 2, 5 game players.
He is by no means a bad or average defender. He is a good defender, and an elite shot blocker.
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Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2022 9:39 pm Post subject:
Not sure why Lakers fans are acting like Bryant will have minimal impact this season.
Yes, he injured his ACL 1.5 years ago, but if he stays relatively healthy, and especially if he regains his 3-point shooting touch, he will pleasantly surprise people.
He can hit 3s, rebound, block shots, run the floor and finish strong at the rim, plus he's an energetic player who can get the crowd going.
Not sure why Lakers fans are acting like Bryant will have minimal impact this season.
Yes, he injured his ACL 1.5 years ago, but if he stays relatively healthy, and especially if he regains his 3-point shooting touch, he will pleasantly surprise people.
He can hit 3s, rebound, block shots, run the floor and finish strong at the rim, plus he's an energetic player who can get the crowd going.
A healthy Bryant is exactly who we need at the 5.
Agree!
We have a bunch of energetic players on this team as well. I can envision them feeding off one another all season long. Iโm excited! If this team can play defense and get out and run itโs going to be a fun season. We can work on the half court offense as the season progresses and we sort out who the best shooters to put around lbj and AD are. _________________ โlike I never leftโ
No different than you guys using blocks to determine whether a player is a good defender, which Myles Turner is NOT.
how about triple double? lol, jk man, your boy WB has been saying the right things since the exit interview. If we stuck with him, wish for the best outcome
Very excited about T.Bryant. Him and Schroeder are starter quality on vet min budget. Y'all think he's fast enough to be a back up stretch 4, like next to D.Jones for limited minutes?
Very excited about T.Bryant. Him and Schroeder are starter quality on vet min budget. Y'all think he's fast enough to be a back up stretch 4, like next to D.Jones for limited minutes?
Lakers need for Bryant to help stretch the floor at times. Mini will be doing that with KAT/Rudy combo for sure. _________________ Lakers need to build a freaking team !
Very excited about T.Bryant. Him and Schroeder are starter quality on vet min budget. Y'all think he's fast enough to be a back up stretch 4, like next to D.Jones for limited minutes?
Lakers need for Bryant to help stretch the floor at times. Mini will be doing that with KAT/Rudy combo for sure.
I'm actually more excited about his ability to get open around the basket for easy layups. He has some Antwan Jamison in his game that I didn't expect to see in his highlights.
Certain people that want Whiteside or Turner on this team are worried about Bryant's 'lift', using rec center games to prove it. How about what he showed us this previous season while coming off injury.
Joined: 27 May 2010 Posts: 49607 Location: LA to the Bay
Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2022 12:44 pm Post subject:
defense wrote:
Bryant is becoming a myth like Nunn was last season
Indeed. I made a mini update in the injury thread that when they replay the game that we won the other day there was a Chyron at the bottom of the screen that he's going to be reevaluated on November 8. But that's about all that's been said about him. :/
Bryant is becoming a myth like Nunn was last season
Indeed. I made a mini update in the injury thread that when they replay the game that we won the other day there was a Chyron at the bottom of the screen that he's going to be reevaluated on November 8. But that's about all that's been said about him. :/
Fortunately it's his left thumb and not related to his previous lower body injury.
Once healed, he should be good to go. _________________ ๐๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ #18!!!
I think we can be excited about Bryant initially only as a back-up based on what we saw in pre-season. Expecting him to have an impact as a starter is setting up for disappointment. I'd rather plan on him progressing slowly and get Turner for the starter. If Bryant progresses to starter by the end of the season we can have options...re-sign Turner for lower or just go with Bryant.
We definitely need him back, so that we have a consistent starting center and AD can be moved back to the 4. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk
Very excited about T.Bryant. Him and Schroeder are starter quality on vet min budget. Y'all think he's fast enough to be a back up stretch 4, like next to D.Jones for limited minutes?
It would be great if TBraynt could do that and live up to your expectations...hoping for that. But from what I saw in pre-season I'm bracing for a disappointing version of him.
I'm more optimistic with Shroeder tho based on the Germany play but last season was concerning.
Hope both Bryant and Schroeder can come in an make a significant difference. _________________ โWhen it looks as if it is a realistic possibility, I want to focus on winning a ship like itโs a goal that canโt be denied. I didnโt see that this off season.โ
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