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aprevo15
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| Wow how many errors is Muncy going to make this season? |
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LongBeachPoly
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| Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2023 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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| aprevo15 wrote: | | Wow how many errors is Muncy going to make this season? |
You mean this game? |
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aprevo15
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| Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2023 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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| LongBeachPoly wrote: | | aprevo15 wrote: | | Wow how many errors is Muncy going to make this season? |
You mean this game? |
He is just an error machine. |
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JerryWest_44
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| Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2023 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Our middle inning relief pitching has been suspect. |
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JerryWest_44
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| Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2023 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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Man our pitching staff is in shambles when we cant hold huge leads
We just threw up on Freddie’s grand slam Worst loss of the year. |
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| Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2023 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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| AF needs to pull a mid season Laker like change to this horrific pitching staff |
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LongBeachPoly
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| Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2023 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Syndergaard tomorrow… |
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LongBeachPoly
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| Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2023 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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| This bullpen is basically down to 1 dude we can count on right now: Phillips |
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aprevo15
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| Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2023 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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| LongBeachPoly wrote: | | This bullpen is basically down to 1 dude we can count on right now: Phillips |
Yep. |
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| Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2023 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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Horrible loss.
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LongBeachPoly
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The bullpen being so bad got me to thinking: has Friedman ever developed an elite BP arm who came up through our minor league system?
I can’t really recall one and I don’t think there’s one currently in our system. |
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| Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2023 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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And Arizona won again. Wow...I don't think we can catch them.  |
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MookieBetts50
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| Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2023 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Oh well, at least Shotime and Miller is a helluva one-two punch we might have for the next decade. |
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DuncanIdaho
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| Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2023 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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| LongBeachPoly wrote: | The bullpen being so bad got me to thinking: has Friedman ever developed an elite BP arm who came up through our minor league system?
I can’t really recall one and I don’t think there’s one currently in our system. |
Bullpens arms are usually so volatile that they end up basically being the guys who are failed starters with only 2 pitches. |
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| Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2023 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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| DuncanIdaho wrote: | | LongBeachPoly wrote: | The bullpen being so bad got me to thinking: has Friedman ever developed an elite BP arm who came up through our minor league system?
I can’t really recall one and I don’t think there’s one currently in our system. |
Bullpens arms are usually so volatile that they end up basically being the guys who are failed starters with only 2 pitches. |
Yeah, bullpens are highly, highly volatile from year to year. Look at a team like the Yankees. Very recently, their best guys were people like Aroldis Chapman and Zach Britton. Now, their 2 best relievers are Clay Holmes and maybe Wandy Peralta? These were 2 unheralded guys quite recently. And it's not like either of them are unhittable, of course, with Holmes really having a great year last year and this year he has been better lately, but not as good overall. You almost have to reinvent your bullpen year after year.
Hudson and Reyes have good potential, but who knows if that will come to fruition. If it doesn't, especially before the trade deadline, that's another area Friedman likely has to address.
And yes, Muncy's defense is a major problem. His best defensive position is first base, where he's blocked, and he can't really function at any other spot because we can't hide him as just one of 3 defenders in a shift now. If he's going to be on the team next year, I think we have to DH him with Vargas shifting back over to third base. |
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| Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2023 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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| ksmgf wrote: | | And Arizona won again. Wow...I don't think we can catch them. |
Dude It’s only June and they’re one game up on us 😂 |
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| We signed Kole Calhoun to a minor league contract, and we did the same with LHP Mike Montgomery, who hasn't pitched in the bigs since 2020. Montgomery was truly horrific in AAA last season, so I'd imagine he's simply minor league depth. Calhoun was actually hitting well in AAA when he exercised his opt-out on June 1 with the Yankees, and given that our OF situation is hardly settled, maybe he thinks he can get a call-up with us pretty soon. Of course, he wouldn't be a help against lefties. |
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LongBeachPoly
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| DuncanIdaho wrote: | | LongBeachPoly wrote: | The bullpen being so bad got me to thinking: has Friedman ever developed an elite BP arm who came up through our minor league system?
I can’t really recall one and I don’t think there’s one currently in our system. |
Bullpens arms are usually so volatile that they end up basically being the guys who are failed starters with only 2 pitches. |
Yeah, but it's nice to bring up some stud reliever prospects:
| Quote: | - Devin Williams
- Canilo Doval
- Jordan Romano
- Felix Bautista
- Josh Hader
- Jhoan Duran |
They're out there. I think they're less volatile when they're still young. We've got Evan Phillips, who doesn't seem volatile.
ChickenStu mentioned Aroldis Chapman. He wasn't volatile when he was with Cincinnati. Same thing with Craig Kimbrel. Atlanta brought him up and got 4.5 elite years from him. Then they traded him for prospects. He hasn't been the same since he left Atlanta.
Friedman is good at piecing together a makeshift BP every year. But, it's been awhile since we brought up a stud reliever prospect. Kenley Jansen might be the last one we developed. |
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aprevo15
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Dodgers optioned Taylor Scott and bring up Nick Robertson.
I thought Scott pitched well the other day. Why option him when there are others that are terrible right now? Legit question because I am not all familiar with players being optioned etc...... |
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LongBeachPoly
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| aprevo15 wrote: | Dodgers optioned Taylor Scott and bring up Nick Robertson.
I thought Scott pitched well the other day. Why option him when there are others that are terrible right now? Legit question because I am not all familiar with players being optioned etc...... |
I'd say, we already got 2 of the struggling relievers off the team: (Bickford and Bruihl).
Almonte has bad numbers, but he's out of options.
Vesia is another candidate, but he just came back up.
So they just went with Taylor. I think Taylor will get another shot. They just wanted a fresh arm that's all.
| Quote: | Almonte: MiLB Options: 0
Miller: MiLB Options: 0
Phillips: MiLB Options: 0
Ferguson: MiLB Options: 2
Gonzalez: MiLB Options: 2
Graterol: MiLB Options: 2
Vesia: MiLB Options: 2
Nick Robertson: MiLB Options: 3 |
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aprevo15
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| Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2023 11:05 am Post subject: |
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| Thanks LBP. |
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JerryWest_44
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| Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2023 11:57 am Post subject: |
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| I know our bullpen is getting raked over the coals but we need to fix our starting pitching to give us more than 5 innings otherwise our BP will just flame out no matter how good our BP becomes |
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LongBeachPoly
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| JerryWest_44 wrote: | | I know our bullpen is getting raked over the coals but we need to fix our starting pitching to give us more than 5 innings otherwise our BP will just flame out no matter how good our BP becomes |
At most, we're adding only 1 starter. Quality starters are expensive to acquire. I don't see us paying the price.
In the past we've acquired:
| Quote: | Rich Hill - cost us 2 top 100 prospects (Grant Holmes and Frankie Montas)
Yu Darvish - cost us 1 top 70ish prospect (Willie Calhoun)
Scherzer and Trea Turner - cost us 2 top 50 prospects (Ruiz and Gray) |
I don't even know if there are any expiring contract starters worth acquiring this year, aside from Ohtani. |
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aprevo15
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| Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2023 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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Mookie with another lead off HR!!!
Our guys gave Thor a 2 run lead. Let's hope he can keep it.
Edit: Nope.
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| LongBeachPoly wrote: | | JerryWest_44 wrote: | | I know our bullpen is getting raked over the coals but we need to fix our starting pitching to give us more than 5 innings otherwise our BP will just flame out no matter how good our BP becomes |
At most, we're adding only 1 starter. Quality starters are expensive to acquire. I don't see us paying the price.
In the past we've acquired:
| Quote: | Rich Hill - cost us 2 top 100 prospects (Grant Holmes and Frankie Montas)
Yu Darvish - cost us 1 top 70ish prospect (Willie Calhoun)
Scherzer and Trea Turner - cost us 2 top 50 prospects (Ruiz and Gray) |
I don't even know if there are any expiring contract starters worth acquiring this year, aside from Ohtani. |
Lucas Giolito? He has a 3.75 ERA, a 1.7 WAR, is averaging just over a K per inning, and has a decent 1.197 WHIP. Last year's 4.90 ERA is the only year he's had an ERA over 4 since the 2018 season.
Sonny Gray has been very good as a Twin, but they have a 3.5-game lead in the mediocre AL Central, even though they are only 31-30. But if they are contending, it's hard to see them moving him.
Michael Lorenzen is having a nice year for the Tigers, but I wouldn't trust him one bit. Not enough of a sample size this year or an overall track record for me to get excited about him, to say the least.
I've mentioned Giolito's teammate Lance Lynn, but he continues to post some real stinkers and with a 6.55 ERA and a 1.515 WHIP, no thanks.
Aaron Nola would be a big name, if the Phillies continue to flounder. They are 7.5 back in the NL East and they are 3 back in the Wild Card.
The oft-injured James Paxton has shown outstanding velocity since he's come back to the Red Sox a few weeks ago, and since they are 4.5 back in the Wild Card (12 GB in the AL East), you'd have to think that he could be a trade candidate. Four of his 5 starts have been very good (either 1 or 2 ER), and he's struck out 36 in 26 innings while averaging 95.9 MPH on his fastball, better than his career average and his best velocity since 2016. It's actually the second-best velocity in any season he's ever had.
Eduardo Rodriguez has been outstanding for the Tigers (currently on the IL with a finger injury, he just did some light throwing yesterday), and he could opt out of the remaining 3 years and $49MM on his deal. Perhaps the Tigers will try to sell him to the highest bidder, then.
Marcus Stroman is an obvious trade candidate, as he will almost certainly opt out of the remaining $21MM on his deal that's scheduled for next season. He's been great, so there's no reason for the Cubs not to move him, unless they work out an extension before the deadline. |
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