How far could a 60 something Phil Jackson get this exact same Lakers team?

[Dr. Laker]

[slavavov]

[JUST-MING]

No Tex Winter. That’s a big hurdle to overcome.

[lakersfever714]

69 wins

PJ has always used the triangle offense and his teams have always been good defensive teams. Great recipe for success for sure. He doesn't play rookies so AR wouldn't have gotten that many minutes and become what he is today.
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[lar9149]

Can we ask the opposite question..

How would Ham do with the Kobe championship teams?

[SGV-Laker fan]

i heard his protégé (Rambis) is eagerly awaits for his next HC gig. do you want him instead? sorry i just puked on my keyboard.

[wolfpaclaker]

Ty Lue runs set out of the Triangle for the Clippers.

[wolfpaclaker]

[wolfpaclaker]

10-15 years ago:

Miami Big 3 with Bron/Wade/Bosh.
Boston's KG/Pierce/Rondo/Allen team with Thibs as defensive coach.
Dirk's Dallas team.
Kobe/Pau Lakers.
D'Antoni offense running wild around some of the league's teams.
Young Warriors team developing.
Spurs Tim Duncan/Manu/Kawhi/Parker Pop offense
Budenholzer in Atlanta.

You see there was a lot of different styles of play. So much fun to watch all the match ups and styles. I enjoyed match ups like vs Dallas where you would face a player like Dirk. Or Boston with KG and those aholes. Miami's big 3. All played different than this current stuff. Of course Kobe/Pau.

Now? This is grade A bull (bleep) vs what we once had, IMO. Basketball is so much less enjoyable. Add the politics, it's even worse.

[ocho]

[Wilt]

I'm not bragging or anything, or maybe I am a little , but I wrote the most elaborate analysis on the Triangle in the history of the internets. I think you could still run it and produce the shots that the NBA requires (threes, layups). You would just have to adjust it and cut down the time to set up the spacing.

What made the Triangle frustrating for many players is that it took a lot of time to make the initial reads and put the players in position. If that initial phase of the shot clock is not coordinated correctly by the players, the whole thing falls apart. But in retrospect, much of that wasn't needed and Phil was a bit too orthodox in that regard, especially when he was with the Lakers. When the Bulls ran it, the initial reads were simpler and they got into the offense much faster.

So a modern Triangle would emphasize a kind of semi fastbreak spacing, get the players into the position quickly, and then make the reads. Since the spacing is perfect, you can get into pick and rolls, drive and kicks, etc. You would produce good shots.

Another problem is that Tex Winter is dead, Phil is old, and therefore there wouldn't be anyone to teach it that is heavily invested in it.

But I do agree that the buy in is crucial, and the turnover in the league is high so it wouldn't be practical to implement it in any elaborate way since you'd have to constantly teach it to new people and the chemistry would be disrupted, since it's a read and react offense and not based on set plays.
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[Treble Clef]

I always thought it was crazy how often after a game a reporter would ask a question about how unstoppable the triangle offense was that day and the player would respond and say “actually we hardly ran it at all today”

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[Denny_Russo]

This is an apples and oranges question. The game is completely different now and as other posters have mentioned, far less enjoyable because of the gimmicky offenses and lack of defense. In hindsight, Phil would have won 7 rings with Kobe if they put a half competent roster around him from 04-07. Gasol came when Kobe was at the tail end of his prime. However, the game is no longer what it used to be, and the triangle offense is currently antiquated in favor of the three ball. The volatility of the 3pt shot and modern offenses makes the championship less predictable year after year, and teams are repeating less.
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[RI Laker]

In keeping with the work from home society of today, Phil can do better from his couch than meat head can do at the office. Its a sad day when guys like Mike D and Mike Brown are missed.

[MJST]

The modern equivalent to the Triangle is what the Warriors run.

They run the Triangle along with some of what D'Antoni ran, and some of what Popovich ran, and it all works together cohesively and shows it can evolve.

The Warriors offense is intentional and not accidental and they got the superstars to buy in, which is a big part of it. When you have superstars get intentional sets like that ran for them in the ways that Steph does, it just enhances the kind of shots he can get. He can get wide open shots off sets as well as get his teammates wide open shots off them as well as create his own shot if sets break down. Draymond also buying into being one of the main facilitators in that offense is a big deal additionally and being okay with not scoring much.


If Phil was able to get LeBron and AD to buy into that, the rest of the team follows suit. The triangle has tons of pick and roll and 'wide open three' sets which would fit in the modern NBA, as well as a lot of intentional offense that would have found AD and LeBron down at the low block. And there'd be a heck of a lot less standing around or LeBron holding the ball for 20 seconds and jacking up a three.

That and DLO is a tall point guard, High IQ, willing to do whatever is necessary in the offense or his role in it, as well as being a great passer, pick and roll threat, and elite three point shooter. Which in a system such as the Triangle, is perfect.
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